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Maximum duty will be 18 hours, 19 for cabin crew when using augmenting pilot to extend normal FTL.
You can't apply the 3 hour discretion rule on this operation as it's already being extended by the extra pilot. The box underneath the limits states what's the maximum duty allowed.
Harry
You can't apply the 3 hour discretion rule on this operation as it's already being extended by the extra pilot. The box underneath the limits states what's the maximum duty allowed.
Harry
short flights long nights
Just BOS, or other destinations as well?
short flights long nights
I was wondering that, I have not sat in the RHS for at least 15 years.
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There is no more requirement to be trained on the RHS, CPL and RT licence is accepted by GCAA, as long as you act as PNF.
Now that's interesting when the LHS skipper has to take a leak .... as we are not inflight potty trained as well!
Wait for the FCI stating that the PF can't leave his seat in such configuration.
Next time you attend a manual handling sim, volunteer for assisting a buddy on the RHS and see how well you perform. I had a very hard time finding the correct buttons and was fiddling with wrong fingers, looking into wrong directions etc.
It is not the safest approach to flight safety at all. If US passenger rights lawyers get wind of EK putting tech crew on seats they are not trained for, I would not want to be in a eventual courtroom, even as skipper accepting such assignment, after all we know we are not recent enough there.
Food for thought.
Now that's interesting when the LHS skipper has to take a leak .... as we are not inflight potty trained as well!
Wait for the FCI stating that the PF can't leave his seat in such configuration.
Next time you attend a manual handling sim, volunteer for assisting a buddy on the RHS and see how well you perform. I had a very hard time finding the correct buttons and was fiddling with wrong fingers, looking into wrong directions etc.
It is not the safest approach to flight safety at all. If US passenger rights lawyers get wind of EK putting tech crew on seats they are not trained for, I would not want to be in a eventual courtroom, even as skipper accepting such assignment, after all we know we are not recent enough there.
Food for thought.
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But what about all the flights with 1 captain and 2 FOs? Is there a difference here?
I don't remember being trained to operate from the LHS when I was a first officer either.
If they've been getting away with that for years on PER, PVG, KIX etc what is the difference?
Or am I missing something?
I don't remember being trained to operate from the LHS when I was a first officer either.
If they've been getting away with that for years on PER, PVG, KIX etc what is the difference?
Or am I missing something?
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All new hires should have been Left seat trained. TCAS event, De-compression, Rapid descent. It is in the Training Manual but we all know how items disappear when it is convenient for the company.
I can't see how I can sit in the right seat when I never was an FO on the aircraft and was never trained to sit there how that is a legal operation.
Does the FAA know about this? If not they need a phone call.
I can't see how I can sit in the right seat when I never was an FO on the aircraft and was never trained to sit there how that is a legal operation.
Does the FAA know about this? If not they need a phone call.
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Give it a rest, so many companies out there are already operating heavy crews LHS/RHS in the cruise with or without training and with no identified safety events, realised or otherwise.
Is it ideal? No.
For those that wish to launch a legal challenge, the pprune benevolent fund hereby extends all assistance in legal matters to ensure that these rostered duties are terminated forthwith.
Good luck.
Is it ideal? No.
For those that wish to launch a legal challenge, the pprune benevolent fund hereby extends all assistance in legal matters to ensure that these rostered duties are terminated forthwith.
Good luck.
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But what about all the flights with 1 captain and 2 FOs? Is there a difference here?
I don't remember being trained to operate from the LHS when I was a first officer either.
If they've been getting away with that for years on PER, PVG, KIX etc what is the difference?
Or am I missing something?
I don't remember being trained to operate from the LHS when I was a first officer either.
If they've been getting away with that for years on PER, PVG, KIX etc what is the difference?
Or am I missing something?
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There must be an FCI coming.
201 3 crew
203 4 crew both have ULR next to the trip description??
Is one a ULR and the other not??? Same destination?? City pair rule?
The 203 can't be done under normal FTL's even 4 crew.
FDP is 14:35 and FDPAugmentedExtra2 is 14:24????
How can the same destination have two flights with one being a ULR and the other not?
Some people have three 203's?? (ULR limit is 2?)
Have they decided JFK and BOS are non-ULR?
JFK is over 14hrs in winter??
I'd be writing a polite email to FLT OPS with a few questions if i was rostered a BOS or JFK in may and there is no FCI in the next few days.
201 3 crew
203 4 crew both have ULR next to the trip description??
Is one a ULR and the other not??? Same destination?? City pair rule?
The 203 can't be done under normal FTL's even 4 crew.
FDP is 14:35 and FDPAugmentedExtra2 is 14:24????
How can the same destination have two flights with one being a ULR and the other not?
Some people have three 203's?? (ULR limit is 2?)
Have they decided JFK and BOS are non-ULR?
JFK is over 14hrs in winter??
I'd be writing a polite email to FLT OPS with a few questions if i was rostered a BOS or JFK in may and there is no FCI in the next few days.
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Many pages of interesting interpretations.
Why not simply copy the FTL pages to the relevant authorities around the world seeking their acknowledgement that they are aware of the changes and have agreed to them. They are after all the law makers for their countries. On receipt of the reply post it on here. Just a suggestion.
Why not simply copy the FTL pages to the relevant authorities around the world seeking their acknowledgement that they are aware of the changes and have agreed to them. They are after all the law makers for their countries. On receipt of the reply post it on here. Just a suggestion.
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GNL, in theory that has been done , the route / country approval means they have approved the UAE(GCAA) to operate on the route to that country. EK/EY operate under the approval of the GCAA. Of interest the FAA did an audit of the GCAA @ 2 years ago and passed with no outstanding issues, including the FTL's.
