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Old 28th Mar 2014, 06:44
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You Will Single engine Taxi or Else !!

Morning Chaps,

Being the diligent type, was just reviewing GABI for todays epic, and noticed that in the crew alerts it says something along the lines of "You will single Eng taxi in unless CCI's say otherwise" if you don't have to CSR the reasons why.
Came from SVP today.
Would SVP like to sign my tech log and carry the can for any incident that happens today as well.
We have all been naughty children and headmaster is not pleased, as his bonus might be affected.
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Old 28th Mar 2014, 07:08
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Compared to his "protect the hub" fuel tankering into DXB, what will this achieve?

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Old 28th Mar 2014, 07:29
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Wow, that's an extremely bold move.

It says in accordance with FCOM procedures, then goes on to say a CSR must be filed EVERY time you don't do single-engine taxi.

FCOM SP S.E. Taxi:

For operational environments such as uphill slope, soft asphalt,
high gross weights, congested ramp areas, specific airfield
restrictions, and wet/slippery ramps and taxiways, single engine
taxi is NOT recommended.
That pretty much precludes it's use in at least 50% of our ops, unless you choose to ignore the SP recommendations. Not sure how you then have a defence in court if it goes wrong.

So now we MUST file a CSR on at least c.50% of flights? Will this scare some of the weaker-minded into using SE taxi when not appropriate?

Interesting times ahead.
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Old 28th Mar 2014, 07:42
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Just shut it down 30 secs before parking. Job done.
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Old 28th Mar 2014, 08:17
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Or wait 30 seconds before shutting down the other one. Problem solved. It's just a tick box.
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The 380 I have shut down 2 engines once...in Dubai it's probably ok to do it at times but at out stations I will be filling a CSR every flight by the sounds of it!!
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Old 28th Mar 2014, 09:38
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Better start carrying a supply of CSR's in my flight bag. The blank doc folder is going to run out fast.
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Old 28th Mar 2014, 09:56
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The notam states it is for data recording purposes. As inconvient as it sounds- may I suggest filling in the csrs instead of ticking the box and not shutting down one. Otherwise you will skew the stats and places where it clearly not good airmanship to to se Taxy eg Khartoum , will become expected by the company to do so.
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Consider the source....

When the company addresses 2-3 tonnes of fuel wastage in APU fuel burn for no other reason than laziness on the part of the ground crew, then I'll comply.

When we stop carrying ridiculous amounts of fuel to "protect the hub" for no sound reason, then I'll comply.

When we stop wasting fuel to make up 4 minutes on a flight by flying at M.87 so that 3 passengers can make their connection, then I'll comply

Otherwise its just another bit of comedy/calamity

Sounds like someone might have gotten some pressure from above...but I suppose he could always just leave if he doesn't like it here.
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Old 28th Mar 2014, 12:48
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Not an issue but a bit sad I must say...just "play the game, play the game, the game"

What's the worst that can happen go and see the new "Fresh Prince of Gel Hair" Assnt to Deputy or whatever he's called...

...and thereafter shut one down 30 secs prior to other...thus fudging reality

These guys aren't very smart...

Yawn.

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Old 28th Mar 2014, 14:56
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I can't believe what I am hearing here. As there is no profit share anymore who cares about an economical operation and whining about the following.

Don't complain, ......that your life is made less stressful by carrying spare fuel on at least 50% of your flights (to protect the hub).

Don't complain that you have to fly fast so that you will be doing less airborne time when you are not getting paid more than block time anyway.

Don't complain about APU burn as the ground AC is poor anyway.

Don't complain about partial engine shutdown on taxi in as you should feel lucky it's not mandatory to single/twins 2/quads engine taxi out.

Just shut 1 or 2 down as the aircraft turns straight onto the stand, you still have momentum, no more turning and no CSR to fill in.
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Old 28th Mar 2014, 15:05
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I couldn't agree more with Jack Schidt...

Keep it simple boys... And stop getting your panties all tied up in knot over small things such as this memo.
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Exactly. Keep it simple stupid. KISS…
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Old 28th Mar 2014, 16:42
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cant see where the fuel saving will be on a GE powered 777 if you follow the correct procedures ! Anything above idle needs 3 min cooldown, so if on single engine taxi you've got to nudge above idle...........
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the whole of "B" ramp was/is prohibited for single engine taxi in DXB..
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I'm still not doing it. I'll fill out the CSR every time and just quote one of the reasons for not doing it given in the manuals. We have enough time to fill it out when you consider how long it takes the fecking CC to tidy up the cabin after pax disembarkation.
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the whole of "B" ramp was/is prohibited for single engine taxi in DXB..


Actually only B18 thru B21 is prohibited for SE taxi. The AOI says the entire B ramp is prohibited but the CCI says the statement in the AOI pages do not apply to EK and we are allowed to SE taxi except for B18 thru B21. Not that thats confusing or easy to miss.
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Old 29th Mar 2014, 08:43
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still, most parking gates are reached under 3 minutes for GE cooling time...just fill in the CSR and swamp them in paper...keeps them too busy to come up with other senseless ideas.
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Guys this will all benefit us come May.

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