EK - Time to command, for hopeful new joiners and us already in the crapper
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According to the latest 'Open Skies' issue, TC says in black and white that we will carry 70m passengers by 2020. That compares with our current annual of 39m. It's almost double.
Granted aircraft size will increase but so will the numbers of pilots needed as the 380 takes on additional US ULR.
Interestingly he also confirms the 70 A350s in the same lead-in article.
Finally, word is that the 777F is chewing up crews with these new Latin routes (Mex City & Quito)
I think our FOs will be fine with upgrade timing, long may it continue.
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Granted aircraft size will increase but so will the numbers of pilots needed as the 380 takes on additional US ULR.
Interestingly he also confirms the 70 A350s in the same lead-in article.
Finally, word is that the 777F is chewing up crews with these new Latin routes (Mex City & Quito)
I think our FOs will be fine with upgrade timing, long may it continue.
f.
captainsmiffy post #3:
fliion post #24:
Oh you're being ironic, I see now.
I joined over 6 years ago and am not expecting to upgrade until at least 7 and a half years have passed....possibly 8.it is all a matter of timing and luck here.
I think our FOs will be fine with upgrade timing, long may it continue.
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'Open Skies' - what's that, some sort of brown noser company rag magazine I presume. Never heard of it. No wonder they knocked me back for asst deputy CP.
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Well first let me say that my belief of 'non doomsday' upgrade scenarios has absolutely nothing to do with my view of the company's practices and treatment of its Flt Ops crews.
Two separate subjects. My position is clear on the latter - not good enough.
As to the upgrade standard, don't want to let this thread drift - but I don't know many if any who have had a free ride.
Your point?
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Two separate subjects. My position is clear on the latter - not good enough.
As to the upgrade standard, don't want to let this thread drift - but I don't know many if any who have had a free ride.
Your point?
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After 20 years in the lines with only a brief command prior to 9-11, I'm sick of babysitting cocky douchebags who sit left of me only because of their lucky timing. Plenty of briefing talking gods who couldn't hand fly their way out of quife.
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@200 pax AC now = 39mil pax, 777/380/330 (330/340 @250 seats ), 280 AC by 2020, 120-380 160-777 = @70 mil, that's where the numbers are coming from . So net growth of 80 AC in 6 years. Cargo may be using up crew but with the 777 ULR flights decreasing the crew requirement is dropping off. As it has be posted be aware of what you are getting into if you join EK now. The last @ 500 FO 's on the 777 will soon figure it on there own.
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Likeitis,
There I fixed it for you!
PS: what is quife?
I'm sick of babysitting cocky douchebags who sit right of me only
because of my lucky timing. Plenty of briefing talking gods who couldn't hand fly their way out of quife.
because of my lucky timing. Plenty of briefing talking gods who couldn't hand fly their way out of quife.
PS: what is quife?
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Would the other place down the highway be quicker? I'm currently an NG Captain, does it ever happen that "they" would consider DEC on to the 320 with no time on type (but lots of narrow body time) or is it all RHS entry to the wide bodies?
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Tinee,
In 2010 a 777 FO was starting command course just before they had completed 3yrs in the company. Today guys are approaching 4yrs with no course date. Did you read Capt Smiffy's post? He joined 6yrs ago. Looks like 7.5 to 8yrs for him. Unfortunately he is not on his pat Malone.
It would seem that the predictions from the past aren't too far away from reality.
The don
In 2010 a 777 FO was starting command course just before they had completed 3yrs in the company. Today guys are approaching 4yrs with no course date. Did you read Capt Smiffy's post? He joined 6yrs ago. Looks like 7.5 to 8yrs for him. Unfortunately he is not on his pat Malone.
It would seem that the predictions from the past aren't too far away from reality.
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EK - Time to command, for hopeful new joiners and us already in the crapper
Everything changes here! Example, EK stated in Gulf News that they will continue the expansion of the past into the future. Quoted saying they will be at 15 US destinations in the next 3 years.
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Well, it's not the number of destinations that decide how many pilots you need but it's the number of aircraft you have, and that's quite easy to predict.(I agree ULRs need more pilots). Unless you start to dry lease a lot, deliveries are pretty fixed, you don't just rock up a 777 like that.
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don,
Reading between the lines Capt Smiffy is a 330 guy who was transferred to the 380 as an FO. ie he had to start his whole 2500hrs again in order to get his CMD.
That isn't the norm for most guys at EK, so his is an (extremely frustrating) anomaly. It shouldn't be referenced as the typical career path to CMD in EK because it quite simply isn't.
Reading between the lines Capt Smiffy is a 330 guy who was transferred to the 380 as an FO. ie he had to start his whole 2500hrs again in order to get his CMD.
That isn't the norm for most guys at EK, so his is an (extremely frustrating) anomaly. It shouldn't be referenced as the typical career path to CMD in EK because it quite simply isn't.
Ramius315,
Your right it isn't the command career path for all EK FOs, but it is for all the EK 330 FOs that joined at the same time as Smiffy. 330 FOs coming to whale now have been two years in the company, and will need another 4yrs to upgrade.
The Don
Your right it isn't the command career path for all EK FOs, but it is for all the EK 330 FOs that joined at the same time as Smiffy. 330 FOs coming to whale now have been two years in the company, and will need another 4yrs to upgrade.
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Whilst it may not be the norm as a careerpath, there are a fir few of us in the same boat.....the other thing that is rankling right now is that there may well be 96 or 106 upgrades in this financial year but I am personally worried that I may still fall outside of this! I believe that I first become eligible for an upgrade in march of 2015 according to flt ops, assuming that I get their forecast hours. Just shy of 8 years in the company and still touch and go on the hours.....it would be the cruelllest twist of fate to lose out on this round as well.....!!!!
Would the other place down the highway be quicker? I'm currently an NG Captain, does it ever happen that "they" would consider DEC on to the 320 with no time on type (but lots of narrow body time) or is it all RHS entry to the wide bodies?
Thanks
Thanks