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Old 15th Dec 2012, 10:24   #21 (permalink)
 
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If it ain't Boeing.... you ain't going...LOL.
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Old 15th Dec 2012, 11:12   #22 (permalink)
 
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Seriously? There is no dedicated crew toilet on the 380?

A mate of mine got a tour of the LH 380, and they had a separate crew area with bunks and toilet, all locked away from the passenger areas.

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Old 15th Dec 2012, 13:51   #23 (permalink)
 
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I'm really surprised USA and UK allow EK to fly in and out of their airspace when the pilots are exposed to attacks from the passengers whenever they visit the toilet or when they want to take a rest.
That explains why they have to make a procedure for this. I sure they have been told to do it.
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Old 16th Dec 2012, 01:45   #24 (permalink)
 
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The 330/340 have a toilet directly outside of the cockpit that the F or J class use
And the 777 has 2 there (even more c%@p)
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Old 18th Dec 2012, 19:10   #25 (permalink)
 
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I'm really surprised USA and UK allow EK to fly in and out of their airspace when the pilots are exposed to attacks from the passengers whenever they visit the toilet or when they want to take a rest.
That explains why they have to make a procedure for this. I sure they have been told to do it.
And the 777 bogs are any different? So many muppets on this forum And at least you can assault the 777 lav without scaling the steps

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Old 18th Dec 2012, 19:14   #26 (permalink)
 
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Seriously? There is no dedicated crew toilet on the 380?
Seriously? There is no dedicated crew toilet on the 777? What a piece of sh1te
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Old 18th Dec 2012, 21:50   #27 (permalink)
 
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Seriously? There is no dedicated crew toilet on the 777? What a piece of sh1te
I am just surprised by the fact that the biggest civilian airliner in the world is too small to accommodate a crew toilet for the pilots.
Or more correctly, that EK chose not to install one.

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Old 19th Dec 2012, 02:48   #28 (permalink)
 
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A couple of points-

The reason there is a difference between LR and ULR- there are more lavs on the ULR, so it actually gets less crowded while pax wait. On an LR going to say, LHR or CDG, the lines actually get quite long, (only 3 toilets for almost as many pax not 5) hence the fwd lav is left 'open' for pax to use UNTIL one of the cockpit crew feel the call of nature. That is when the 'VIP Rope' comes into the equation. (Airbus' name for it, not EK's- their manual takes a lot of the original AB terms)

On ULR flights funnily enough the lavs seems to get less usage (prob beause everyone is out to it sleeping, whereas on Euro/UK flights lots of them stay awake to enjoy some bevvies and as many movies as they can fit in)


Aside from seats/fuel/weight issue you'll find the CRC is where it is because it allowed extra pallets of freight where the factory standard CRC would be. That info was direct from TC in a flight global article about a year ago...

Lav 'policy' (at least on the CC side) has been in place as long as I have flown on A380, coming up on just about 3 years, actually!! It's just not as rigidly followed on all flights since on the day (at least as I was told) it's up to the skipper's discretion. If s/he wants the rope up for the whole time, they can ask. It's just not recommended since it clogs up the front of the plane to have one lav out of use. (Pun not intended!!)

So technically, yes there is a dedicated crew toilet on ULR flights, since the crew are the only ones using it. But it's not inside any crew rest area, which I suppose is the technical definition of a crew-only toilet...?

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Article here

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Clark says the decision to put the cabin-crew rest on the main deck was basically to preserve cargo capacity. "There is not much volume on the bottom deck," he says, adding that cargo can account for up to 20% of the airline's overall income.
The airline is due to take its first "medium-range" configured A380s next year that will differ mainly in that the crew rest zone will be removed and replaced with 28 economy seats, says Clark. These will be used on sectors of less than 12h.
From 2010, Emirates will introduce A380s with a two-class cabin layout seating 604 passengers - 60 business and 544 economy. These will be used on "regional" routes of up to 6h from Dubai.
Hmm bit late on those 2-class then!!

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Old 19th Dec 2012, 17:57   #29 (permalink)
 
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Rows 41 & 42 disappear on the ULR and the lavs are there, on the LR the cabin starts with empty space at row 41 Y class (no bulkheads or curtains at the M1 doors...)

Ok some of you might think this topic is lame but one of you asked so here you go... everyting you could ever want to know about the A380 sh!tter

Before anyone starts on about 'sensitive information', none of this is anything pax don't have access to/couldn't photograph themselves, FYI... they all know where our CRC is, they always try to go do their thing as they think it is an extra large dunny!

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Old 19th Dec 2012, 18:29   #30 (permalink)
 
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EK has another 60 380's to arrive with options for more.

Will they address and rectify the obvious problems of the ridiculous positioning of the CRC and lavs'..?

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Old 19th Dec 2012, 19:08   #31 (permalink)
 
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We can only hope..! Galley FM says they may do an option with 1 or no showers in F on routes that show low to no demand.... not sure if true
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Old 20th Dec 2012, 03:52   #32 (permalink)
 
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Old King Coal...

PLEASE write another funny episode to brighten up my day....

(I'm tired of all this crap talk about where toilets are on a bloody plane...!!!)

I need to laugh my ass off again...!!!
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Old 20th Dec 2012, 04:26   #33 (permalink)
 
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Here's one for you. On a trip into (destination removed to protect the guilty) we went to clear the FD for descent then, the F/O came out to use the lav only to find in the minute or two the crew had been in the cockpit, someone had left a neat little turd at the top of the steps! Amazingly none of the pax in row 41 saw anything!! (Must have been one of them... )
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Old 20th Dec 2012, 05:12   #34 (permalink)
 
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Seriously? There is no dedicated crew toilet on the 777? What a piece of sh1te
Oh how wrong you are....there is a dedicated toilet on the 777..it's on the 777F, and no pesky door camera either
We even get to make our own coffee
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Old 20th Dec 2012, 05:13   #35 (permalink)
 
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Seriously? There is no dedicated crew toilet on the 777? What a piece of sh1te
Oh how wrong you are....there is a dedicated crew toilet on the 777..it's on the 777F, and no pesky door camera either
We even get to make our own coffee
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Old 20th Dec 2012, 05:15   #36 (permalink)
 
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The 777 does make a good freighter.

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Old 20th Dec 2012, 05:23   #37 (permalink)
 
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SI,

Are you trying out to be management? Arguing with arrogance, from a position of ignorance. What a display of Belligerence!

The Lav thing has been in the OMA for years. The recent FCIs at first removed one section, and then, after feedback from the line, another FCI returned things to the way they were.

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Old 20th Dec 2012, 05:59   #38 (permalink)
 
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We even get to make our own coffee
My idea of a dream pilot!

To be fair I am shite at making coffee so I leave it to someone else, for your own good of course
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Old 21st Dec 2012, 04:18   #39 (permalink)
 
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SI,

There is nothing you have said that is worth refuting. I explained the "why" of the FCIs. The wording is still the same as its always been. Nothing has changed. If you were on the fleet (or got bored and read the OMA) you would know that. I am very sorry that you feel so upset about these FCIs. Time for a holiday perhaps?
Why was the fantastic 777 pilot rest not used? Why was it moved down the back? 18" of floor space and 600lbs of weight if I remember correctly. The 380 CRC is just as crap as all the others that are down the back.

I suggest you take a bex, have a cuppa tea and have a little lie down.

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Old 21st Dec 2012, 04:30   #40 (permalink)
 
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Rumor has it that some new 777s will be arriving with the pilot bunks in the front. Apparently an airline dropped a large order so EK will take those airplanes, and it was too expensive to move the bunks to the back (since the airplanes are already with the original config).

Anyone believes that? facts? bs?

Merry Xmas
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