I don't care too much which jet makes the most money...that is someone else's worry. I do care about my staff travel and it was easier getting a seat to/from oz direct on a 345 than a weight restricted 777. Now if EK ever picks up Alice Springs as a destination then the 300ER will be the perfect choice.....
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Interesting slip by TCAS at a recent meeting- "When we have an all 777/380 fleet"......
Wiz- Is that like the interesting slip by TCAS at a recent meeting b4 the QF/EK tie up stating "that Emirates will never code share with another airline, it is simply not how we do business. Emirates has alway been and always will be on its own.".....
I preferred TCAS's "92hrs will not become the target" quote. Rates also with JAs "By Oct all EK pilots will be able take all their leave", still wondering what year that Oct will fall in. One office dwelling acquaintance, said that during some indoctrination course recently, they showed a slide with the future fleet being 120 A380 and 160 B777. So who knows?
I do care about my staff travel and it was easier getting a seat to/from oz direct on a 345 than a weight restricted 777.
Talk about wood for the trees! Part of the reason you could get on the 345 is because we were carrying less people, there were a lot less seats available than now....it's just that our commercial department are utterly superb at filling seats. Staff travel is a lottery that's for sure, but FABs helps, FWIW in all the BNE and MEL directs I've done this summer, we never left staff behind for performance reasons, I've even nominated a closer alt to destination which got 12 staff and an additional 3 tonnes of freight on.
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No staff on the direct BNE for the past week. FABs was showing empty 1st, 4 empty in J and 22 spare in Y on one such trip. NO staff accepted. Checked its flight plan when I got home and it was TOW limited ex DXB so ZFW restricted to 40T revenue. So FABs although good, does not help in cases like this.
The joys of staff travel.
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Reason: to spell betterer
Amsterdam, Heathrow, Seoul, Osaka (no more slots into Narita so have to truck the stuff down) Sydney & Hong Kong.
All 777 Freighter flights. Why? Because the vag!na can't carry freight. And remember every second flight on these is empty. So there is a lot at stake when they put the Gay180 on any run. Especially when they have to follow it up with freighter aircraft and one way is empty!
Not complaining at all, but pointing out what is happening. This is great for any ones monthly hour accumulation. For me, having done two of them, dead-heading twice in first class, it's money for jam!
Very good points halas. But if it only carries 500 or 528 pax depending on the variant, how can the difference between DOW and the AZFW be 66 to 73T depending on the above. Don't tell me they are lying on the load sheet.
You are totally correct though. The 777 makes a very good freighter. Shame it can't carry any pax.
Interesting article in flt int online a couple of days ago about the numbers with belly cargo...... seems there isnt a simple obvious answer as to its profitability as no one can agree how its costed , so how does that fare in the argument on the big one that cant carry much v the smaller one that can carry a lot ? dont think theres an easy answer !!!
Falcon I agree with your point re numbers growth but then as you Boeing boys point out, the 777 can take freight so it gets loaded up with that before staff and you have the situation that Don mentioned above,TO weight limited. It might make money....I don't care too much as I see it climb out as I drive home... At least on the 500 I had a better chance of a front seat than on the 7, 12 vs 8 helped. FABs is an improvement but useless on a large slice of our network. Good job for getting staff on though, I do the same.
I don't know Don. But l think the most important thing to remember is that freight usually cubes out before it weighs out.
Now if they sent the 380 to SEA SFO LAX DFW IAH, how many punters would they leave behind?
Personally, I couldn't care less.
But it's all down to how they utilise each and every airframe. EK commercial department choose to send an airframe on a run that is either restrictive or not. There must be some logic in the way they do it. There must be some gain in not putting one of the other types on the flight. Pretty soon l think you guys will be experiencing that, and being at the pointy end deciding on minimum fuel / Maximum load / Leaving punters behind.
Back to the freighter.... So you reckon that 500 or so punters on minimum yield justifies a freighter flying one way empty. I disagree. It's the freight alone that pays for the follow up aircraft to carry what the 380 leaves behind.
Awhile back Galley FM suggested there was a plan in the works for a few of the new deliveries to feature only one shower spa (possibly even none!) in F, reducing the tanks/weight required and using those a/c on routes where the demand for the showers is low. Probably nothing to it but you never know!
When is the stretched version of the 380 due? After all this is only the first one... Iver, we had a couple AB guys (as pax) onboard recently who said the next lot would definitely be capable of doing those flights full...