Ive heard we're to stay at the Tyson's Corners Marriott. It is a nice hotel. A nice, but not inexpensive, mall nearby. It is not near central DC. In fact, it is in the state of Virginia. About a 30 minute bus ride from the airport to the hotel, if no traffic. There is a metro stop near Tyson's which you can use to visit the Mall in DC, i think its about 5km from the hotel (maybe a shuttlebus???...i dunno) then 30-40 min metro into Union Station. This setup is like like SFO, its not in the city. We'll park at the standard international gates, and I think we'll need to take a bus to immigration, which will add to our time, I figure its an hour plus from parking brake to hotel, easy.
And I think that IAD block time is on the low side, if you get a northbound landing, in the am rush. Figure all winter long for northbound landings. Keep recovering.
Tyson's Corner is not a bad place in Northern Virginia. You will find a new Orange Line stop not far from that hotel that will take you to Washington DC monuments in about 25 minutes. I agree the traffic to/from IAD can be dicey.
Tyson's Corner does have some nice restaurants and shopping too. Visited a mate in that area a few months ago.
Sorry, but that layover time sounds exhausting after that flight time. Good luck with that!
For comparison, you should find out where your Qatar 777 counterparts stay. Same area or in DC proper? Similar layover time? Do they get 24 or 48 hours? Fall in the DC area should be lovely....
you don't seriously think this routing will be over JFK then direct (or airways) IAD.....do you? c'mon man, that's some of the most densely packed airspace in the world! No, this routing most likely will be further inland, over western new york (the state), pennsylvania, then Prztl.4 or Hypr1.alb. Then south of the field for a visual to the 1's.
to call it 165nm although correct really isn't.
For this pairing its 21 hrs at best at the hotel. Daylight savings time east coast, dark at what...5-6pm? Your at a hotel on a busy throughfare (think SFO), not much to do if you wake up 9-11 pm.
This ain't Manhattan. Can't find something to do late in Northern Va.
ironbutt57 depends on the time of day. I work for a UK airline and our rules much like EK suggest a 24hr rest period isn't brilliant. That's based on the charter mentality of day time flights UK to USA, night flight back with a time zone shift thrown in. However, i work in express packages now and we do a night / day transition to USA with a 24hr rest period. Quick sleep on arrival in USA, get up, have a nights kip on UK local, get up and fly home. 24hrs rest period - absolutely the best. So its down to the route, times, length, TZ shifts etc and you almost have to look at every pairing
I suspect the 380 guys will be doing so for the 203.
Well, from what I recall (good old days of 340-500 doing the 203/204) it's actually a p1ss easy trip... I look forward to it again. Good credit, not too much time away from home, easy flying and half of it sleeping
Sorry to hear that you B guys struggle to sleep well:
Well some of the first fatigue reports are starting to come in.....I haven't done the trip myself, but I've spoken to a few that have, and they have stated that the return crew/cabin crew are pretty wiped out from this one. One cabin crew I spoke to said she awoke at midnight before a 9 am report time and could not go to sleep, and that others were effected like this as well.
Wondering if the three reports for seven days is accurate or has it been "sanitized"
I had the same in the past: 26 hours ground time after around 13-14 hours block time where a killer. I tried everything but at the end of the day I was dead tired. Sleeping after arrival, wake up too early after a solid sleep- stayed awake until or short before wake up call and got tired during the early stage of the flight. Stayed awake longer after arrival, overdone it and could not get sufficient recovery sleep before departure and woke up after a short time, mostly thru the help of housekeeping who started to work at normal hours whilst we sleep in theire opinion at odd hours for them.
Contacted the Company about that problem as a Expat.... see belows solution.
Answer of Crew Planning was= It is legal..... Answer of Chief Pilot was= We have difficult times. Written reports where good for the stack.
At the end of the day I gave up on the higher money and fly from home again, 20 min to the Airport to drive, sleeping in the own bed by 29 days per month again, also terrific.
Flying becomes too cheap and the screw is not tight enough yet, budgeting is around everywhere and the beancounters love to squezze a little more out of the lemon. When is bottom reached? There is room left, I am sure.