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I posted earlier (see #89) about young Orville.
I wonder if his experiences can help clarify what is happening in the hold pool.
Orville is an A320 FO who interviewed in March in DXB. He has just over the minimum hours, so obviously no command experience and is currently employed and flying in Europe.
He is also one of the 24 who got pulled out of the pool this past week.
So a few things come to mind:
1. if there were 140/150 guys in the Hold Pool, then it would seem sensible that there would be roughly similar numbers of Airbus and Boeing drivers. So selecting 24 Airbus guys implies that maybe over 40 Airbus guys were left in the pool.
2. Based on Orville, there doesn't seem to be a bias towards unemployed guys as he is working.
3. Again, they don't seem to mind taking guys with lowish hours or without command experience.
For what its worth, this implies to me that there is a selection process to whittle down the numbers from maybe 70 ish (i.e. 50% of the hold pool) to the 24 they chose. The selection process doesn't look to be hours based (i.e. having lots of hours doesn't seem to count) and being unemployed also doesn't seem to count a great deal.
For the Airbus, they obviously would choose guys capable of putting on a CCQ course - but assuming most Airbus guys could be put on that course, there must be a further method of choosing the final 24.
What's left? Well, it could be completely random - "Congrats, you won the Lottery"
- but somehow, I don't think that is the way they do it.
Seems to me the only thing left is they use a selection process based on how well you did in the tests, and particularly in the sim. They deliberately didn't give a sim in a type you were familiar with, in order to make the session that much more difficult - but also to test how you handle adversity and unusual conditions. My suspicion is that provided you tick all the other boxes, they probably select based on your sim session and test scores.
Just my 2 cents worth.
OD
I wonder if his experiences can help clarify what is happening in the hold pool.
Orville is an A320 FO who interviewed in March in DXB. He has just over the minimum hours, so obviously no command experience and is currently employed and flying in Europe.
He is also one of the 24 who got pulled out of the pool this past week.
So a few things come to mind:
1. if there were 140/150 guys in the Hold Pool, then it would seem sensible that there would be roughly similar numbers of Airbus and Boeing drivers. So selecting 24 Airbus guys implies that maybe over 40 Airbus guys were left in the pool.
2. Based on Orville, there doesn't seem to be a bias towards unemployed guys as he is working.
3. Again, they don't seem to mind taking guys with lowish hours or without command experience.
For what its worth, this implies to me that there is a selection process to whittle down the numbers from maybe 70 ish (i.e. 50% of the hold pool) to the 24 they chose. The selection process doesn't look to be hours based (i.e. having lots of hours doesn't seem to count) and being unemployed also doesn't seem to count a great deal.
For the Airbus, they obviously would choose guys capable of putting on a CCQ course - but assuming most Airbus guys could be put on that course, there must be a further method of choosing the final 24.
What's left? Well, it could be completely random - "Congrats, you won the Lottery"
- but somehow, I don't think that is the way they do it. Seems to me the only thing left is they use a selection process based on how well you did in the tests, and particularly in the sim. They deliberately didn't give a sim in a type you were familiar with, in order to make the session that much more difficult - but also to test how you handle adversity and unusual conditions. My suspicion is that provided you tick all the other boxes, they probably select based on your sim session and test scores.
Just my 2 cents worth.
OD
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I can't tell what happened to the guys in other assessments but in mine everyone was given the closest sim to his type as possible, to know:
2 airbus (320 and 340) guys were given 320 sim
Guys flying MD, 767 and some other EFIS type were given a300 sim.
Guys flying 737, 747 and some other glass cockpit were given 777-200 (including me).
I can't tell what happened to the guys in other assessments but in mine everyone was given the closest sim to his type as possible, to know:
2 airbus (320 and 340) guys were given 320 sim
Guys flying MD, 767 and some other EFIS type were given a300 sim.
Guys flying 737, 747 and some other glass cockpit were given 777-200 (including me).
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Orville Dad..
Does your son latches his shoes by him self? Are you going to accompany him in his Indian night turn arounds? I think that might have an impact on the EK decision
ID 90 user..ah ah ah!!! Yeah.. right the last Kerala beggar will have priority on you! Start discovering!
ID 90 user..ah ah ah!!! Yeah.. right the last Kerala beggar will have priority on you! Start discovering!
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Jetaim - I took the opportunity to review all your 116 posts earlier today. I didn't find a single one where you were in any way helpful to any poster - you seem to do nothing but pour vitriol on any posts and generally fling around insults.
Fine, if that is your personality, then have fun - as they say, it takes all kinds - including jerks who get their jollies by insulting others.
Unlike you, Orvillle got into EK - in fact, he was still short of their minimum when he did his interviews in DXB in the Spring. I posted because I happen to think that his experiences might just help others - clearly, you don't necessarily need tons of hours if you prepare yourself well for the interviews and sim.
My post was in no way gloating - just trying to pass on information to others in the hold pool about how it went for him and,maybe, provide a little bit of help or encouragement to those guys still in the pool.
I'm sorry if that simple act of trying to help others offends you so much that you feel the need to insult me. You are a very sad person.
OD
Fine, if that is your personality, then have fun - as they say, it takes all kinds - including jerks who get their jollies by insulting others.
Unlike you, Orvillle got into EK - in fact, he was still short of their minimum when he did his interviews in DXB in the Spring. I posted because I happen to think that his experiences might just help others - clearly, you don't necessarily need tons of hours if you prepare yourself well for the interviews and sim.
My post was in no way gloating - just trying to pass on information to others in the hold pool about how it went for him and,maybe, provide a little bit of help or encouragement to those guys still in the pool.
I'm sorry if that simple act of trying to help others offends you so much that you feel the need to insult me. You are a very sad person.
OD
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The troll...
My friend. I'm one of the many that decided that the unilateral, undemocratic, pathetically patronizing, human rights violating , slavery prone, middle age style environment in Dubai / EK was not fitting into their view of the world and that Dubai was just an absurd, hot and humid **** hole and they were not going to waste their life there , not even a bit more.
Therefore having the occasion I migrated back to greener pastures with extreme relief. The best move of my life. Now that I can enjoy again democracy, nature, outdoor, real people and community and I'm far far from that absurd mix of nationalities with no real cultural interchange, juts kept together by their interest in that small bit of cash, I feel like helping others. The marketing machine of EK is very powerful and many end up regretting their move...way too many don't admit it. What scares me is that EK is now selecting pilots like your son that apparently is not even capable of posting on a pilot forum and has his daddy doing it for him. But yes..it so so cute!
Therefore having the occasion I migrated back to greener pastures with extreme relief. The best move of my life. Now that I can enjoy again democracy, nature, outdoor, real people and community and I'm far far from that absurd mix of nationalities with no real cultural interchange, juts kept together by their interest in that small bit of cash, I feel like helping others. The marketing machine of EK is very powerful and many end up regretting their move...way too many don't admit it. What scares me is that EK is now selecting pilots like your son that apparently is not even capable of posting on a pilot forum and has his daddy doing it for him. But yes..it so so cute!
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Archer..I see you name on all forums. You applied to all possible airlines in the world but somehow it turns out you cannot make it to get a job mate..sorry for you.If it makes you happy thinking that I did not pass the interview and this is the reason of my resentment you can go ahead. Actually it is the other way around . I wish I never even participated.But I don't want to a alter your basic mental processes. Keep discovering.. well no.. hello tomorrow..may be not.
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Jetaim,
I too see you posting on a lot of forums, and you have only bad things to say. You claim a noble cause (trying to inform people against the might of the Emirates media machine) but you do it in such an unpleasant way that nobody could possibly take you seriously. You rant and rave, insult people, never cite an example of why you dislike Emirates so much, and pay no attention to what anybody else says with regard to their own opinion about Emirates. I think the force of your opinion has been well registered, you don't like Emirates, so allow me to be the first to offer my thanks for this invaluable contribution, which I think everyone here has taken note of, and kindly invite you to leave this thread.
Along with most others here I passed EK selection (the week after learning to tie my own shoes - fancy that!
) and will be joining in a short while. I have several friends already in Dubai who have been working there for a variety of years on a variety of fleets, and they have near unanimous praise for Emirates and the lifestyle it gives them. Quite frankly I am more likely to believe their opinions, along with the ones I formed during my time in Dubai, than to listen to any more non-sensical drivel from the likes of you.
Your dislike of Emirates is obvious to anyone who reads this forum, and if anyone is so inclined to give any weight to your opinion then I dare say they have done so already, so by continually posting your nasty vitriol you only strengthen the case that says none of us should give any consideration to your opinion.
I'm unaware of your personal situation (opinion seems to be split in the forum about whether you are a rejected candidate or a previous Emirates pilot who was shown the door), but for many of us either in the hold pool or waiting to fly to Dubai Emirates represents a quantum leap forward in our careers and we are very excited for the opportunity.
Since you obviously have no wish to be a part of Emirates then I can't help but wonder why you continually post in a forum dedicated to doing just that? The only thing I can think of is you want to rant & rave about some perceived injustice done to you in the past. In that case may I suggest another forum thread along the lines of "Jetaim shouts that the sky is falling!" where you can no doubt have a long and fruitful conversation with yourself about the evil machinations you see coming from Dubai.
Once the "Jetaim shouts that the sky is falling!" thread is all up and running then I promise we'll all pop 'round to see how you're doing, but in the meantime please leave this thread alone. We've registered your dislike for Emirates, considered your opinions and decided to reject them, so it seems we have no further use for you. Thank you for your service, and best of luck in the future.
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I too see you posting on a lot of forums, and you have only bad things to say. You claim a noble cause (trying to inform people against the might of the Emirates media machine) but you do it in such an unpleasant way that nobody could possibly take you seriously. You rant and rave, insult people, never cite an example of why you dislike Emirates so much, and pay no attention to what anybody else says with regard to their own opinion about Emirates. I think the force of your opinion has been well registered, you don't like Emirates, so allow me to be the first to offer my thanks for this invaluable contribution, which I think everyone here has taken note of, and kindly invite you to leave this thread.
Along with most others here I passed EK selection (the week after learning to tie my own shoes - fancy that!
) and will be joining in a short while. I have several friends already in Dubai who have been working there for a variety of years on a variety of fleets, and they have near unanimous praise for Emirates and the lifestyle it gives them. Quite frankly I am more likely to believe their opinions, along with the ones I formed during my time in Dubai, than to listen to any more non-sensical drivel from the likes of you. Your dislike of Emirates is obvious to anyone who reads this forum, and if anyone is so inclined to give any weight to your opinion then I dare say they have done so already, so by continually posting your nasty vitriol you only strengthen the case that says none of us should give any consideration to your opinion.
I'm unaware of your personal situation (opinion seems to be split in the forum about whether you are a rejected candidate or a previous Emirates pilot who was shown the door), but for many of us either in the hold pool or waiting to fly to Dubai Emirates represents a quantum leap forward in our careers and we are very excited for the opportunity.
Since you obviously have no wish to be a part of Emirates then I can't help but wonder why you continually post in a forum dedicated to doing just that? The only thing I can think of is you want to rant & rave about some perceived injustice done to you in the past. In that case may I suggest another forum thread along the lines of "Jetaim shouts that the sky is falling!" where you can no doubt have a long and fruitful conversation with yourself about the evil machinations you see coming from Dubai.
Once the "Jetaim shouts that the sky is falling!" thread is all up and running then I promise we'll all pop 'round to see how you're doing, but in the meantime please leave this thread alone. We've registered your dislike for Emirates, considered your opinions and decided to reject them, so it seems we have no further use for you. Thank you for your service, and best of luck in the future.
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Unable to pass an assessment and what is worst unable to read and understand a single post, what a jerk.
Unlike you man I'm posting in this thread because I'm in the pool and what is written here affects me, plus from time to time I may bring some useful info like emails received or so.
Btw, applied everywhere with no luck? Sure man? Just went through another major airline assessment with a possitive answer. Seems my waiting for EK will be well supported now.
Dude, I did understand your frustration as a pilot but taking a look to your reading skills I understand now your frustration as a miserable human being. Shame on you.
Unable to pass an assessment and what is worst unable to read and understand a single post, what a jerk.
Unlike you man I'm posting in this thread because I'm in the pool and what is written here affects me, plus from time to time I may bring some useful info like emails received or so.
Btw, applied everywhere with no luck? Sure man? Just went through another major airline assessment with a possitive answer. Seems my waiting for EK will be well supported now.
Dude, I did understand your frustration as a pilot but taking a look to your reading skills I understand now your frustration as a miserable human being. Shame on you.
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Jetaim - please, don't be scared that EK is selecting pilots who are not capable of posting on this Forum. Orville does, indeed, post on this forum - although, strangely, he doesn't use "Orville" on here.
So nothing to look at here - we've all noted your comments and thank you. Now please go away.
OD
So nothing to look at here - we've all noted your comments and thank you. Now please go away.
OD
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For the people in the know...
Is it possible to get an Interview with over 4000 Hours TT and over 500 Hours Q400 PIC time? Is Emirates hard set on jet time?
Thank you
Is it possible to get an Interview with over 4000 Hours TT and over 500 Hours Q400 PIC time? Is Emirates hard set on jet time?
Thank you
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Ah ah .. I find it amusing. You actually have the time to search for previous posts... Don't you know that the planet runs on deception? Who actually still believe that Saddam had WoMDs? But a war was fought on that assumption. So you can assume whatever you like. Still I feel compelled to warn others , at least those that have a working brain , of the risk of working in an unprotected environment like EK and in a country disrespectful of workers and human rights.
On the other end you might have missed the following disclaimer [COLOR="Red"]"As these are anonymous forums the origins of the contributions may be opposite to what may be apparent. In fact the press may use it, or the unscrupulous, or sciolists*, to elicit certain reaction"
On the other end you might have missed the following disclaimer [COLOR="Red"]"As these are anonymous forums the origins of the contributions may be opposite to what may be apparent. In fact the press may use it, or the unscrupulous, or sciolists*, to elicit certain reaction"
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So Jetaim, you failed the interview and now are an embarrassment to yourself and to Italy. If you plan to continue posting on an english language forum can you at least use a spell checker. It's getting hard to read your posts without hearing an Italian mafia style accent in my head!!
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Guys - PLEASE can we stop this bickering? This thread is occasionally very useful and this nonsense isn't adding to that.
Just ignore Jetaim - he clearly has issues. Everyone please - IGNORE HIM.
Just ignore Jetaim - he clearly has issues. Everyone please - IGNORE HIM.