EK may or may not have enough qualified FOs to upgrade, I don't have the numbers. What EK doesn't have is enough instructors... Despite raising the pay for LTCs to just under that of a TRE, very few are applying. So they will turn to DECs with training experience with some lock into training deal. That's my guess.
I'm nearer retiring that starting my career. I've done military, civil, long haul, short haul, national airline, charter, major low cost, wide body, narrow body, airbus, boeing including management time and training roles.
The truth is that there are good and bad guys in all areas. Todays long haul captain is tomorrows low cost captain and it works both ways.
There is a certain arrogance in SOME posts here from EK that SOME there think they are better than others. It is quite correct that if recruiting DEC's there should be a high rejection rate at selection; if that high rate continues during training then there is either something wrong with the training or there was something wrong with the selection.
DEC's bring different experiences which can be useful and amongst other things, can help to avoid those within a large company thinking that they are in some way superior - they probably are not. A DEC will inevitably take a little while to become familiar with new destinations but this is not unsafe; if it was how would any airline ever go somewhere new?
A large company like EK can absorb some DEC's and benefit from the experience whilst still leaving the large majority of LHS slots for internal upgrades.
Finally, few of us these days join an outfit as a young F/O and stay there until we retire. Most will at some point leave, quite possibly from the LHS and seek a DEC job somewhere so just cut the hypocritical rubbish.
I do not think I at any time mentioned applying. Don't assume check - one of the golden rules For the record, I'm not applying as I have a job that pays more and despite ups and downs as in any airline, I am content at present.
I'm quite surprised to see the weight requirement is 50T instead of 55T. I'll bet there will be a huge number of DEC applicants with no time in anything larger than ERJ190/195(over 50T but under 55T). They must have selected 50T with that in mind.
What other modern, EFIS/FMS equipped jets are over 50T but less than 55T that they could be trying to include? I can't think of any. 717IGW maybe, but not sure.
The sarcastic thing about the DEC recruitment is that they (silently) removed accelerated command for guys from within. Unbelievable if you ask me. I wonder how much collateral damage this will cause on the FO side.... After all, many guys would qualify straight for the left seat now.
One thing that always happens when there are many choices is that the attrition levels grow at every job, is the eternal search of greener grass I guess
I hope the TREs stick together, look after their own and send a clear message by failing as many DECs as possible.
I cannot imagine what toilet-bowl abortion you evolved from to make such an outrageous statement. No Emirates TRE would ever consider acting as shamefully as you suggest.
You have proficiently succeeded in ensuring the opposite effect of your pathetic desire. No doubt, ICAO and the UAE GCAA will now be aware that the integrity of the Emirates Airline may be compromised due to the possibility of manipulated DEC pilot selection/training in order to placate disgruntled First Officers. These entities will now more closely monitor Emirates pilot training. Ironically, any sub-standard First Officers will be more exposed.
On the very, very, slight chance that any renegade Emirates TRE may subscribe to your retaliatory methods, I suggest that any DEC who fails selection or training and feels they may have been discriminated against in any Emirates simulator, submits a detailed report to the respective civil aviation legislative authorities.
In the USA the Pilot Record Improvement Act 1996 (PRIA) is in place. The Act requires all airlines to provide training records, including simulator reports, of any former employee, before that person can be recruited by a US airline. In anticipation of any replies to this post that the requirement to produce records only applies to US airlines, it does not. Emirates flies to the USA, therefore, FAA inspectors may request training records from Emirates and take the appropriate action should Emirates not comply and/or the records are determined to be false.
Inciter, I suggest you pursue your cause with Emirates management rather than hoping that TRE's act illegally on your behalf.
Christ, what a mess. Obviously no one is good enough to join emirates as a captain. All that other experience is bogus. Just really shows what egotistical self centred wankers some people are.
Truth be told it seems to me, if a monkey with an licence turned up they would get an fo job. And, no I didn't fail selection but some if the people I have flown with were...a tad average and they got in.
And on the flip side, elsewhere, we see ryanair pilots are being specifically targetted for their superior flying skills ! Yes , short haul Europe is great preparation for flying half way round the world. Truth is they are no better or worse than anybody else , they just work for a super shite company.
And don't worry I'm not applying, I have under 3000 command hours, albeit over 100 T. Hey , wonder if I can multiply my hours by 2 and a bit on that basis?
All DECs are inferior to the FOs in EK according to some posters here. That's strange considering the fact that a couple of years ago the same contributors said that EK was "scraping the bottom of the barrel" for FOs. How come these lousy FOs from "dodgy outfits in the third world" now three four years later suddenly are so brilliant?
Don't worry, I am not interested in EK any longer. Just can't stand some of the infantile posts here.
Don't worry we can't stand you either. What illustrious airline are you flying for Patty Cakes? It will be proven in 12-15 months time that EK scraped the very bottom to fill their DEC ranks. What qualified type rated international widebody captain will come to Emirates? We all know who will come and that is what everyone has a problem with in addition to the ethical question involved.
Agree with Cerbus. Too many posters are focused on the experience level of current F/Os and that they should be promoted first. The decision had nothing to do with that. It's simply a case of a bean counter looking at a spreadsheet and thinking he can save a motza by hiring DECs and eliminating training slots. It's just that simple.
As has been pointed out, the numbers are not going to stack up. The majority of the applicants are going to be 737/A320 guys with little or no international experience. Pilot recruitment are going to have to interview 40 guys to get 10 checked out. Training are going to have to plan extra sectors for most candidates, in around 20% of cases they will do lots of training, extra sectors and then end up failing the guys resulting in an enormous waste of resources.
Eventually, it will all become too difficult and a new plan will be hatched. Count on it.
very well said
