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Been hearing mixed reports on the rosters at EK.
My interest is in Layovers and turnarounds on both the 777 and Airbus side.
How many days can you expect to be away from home if you bid only for turnarounds every time? Are there many 5 or 6 day pairings?
Thanks for any constructive comments and information.
My interest is in Layovers and turnarounds on both the 777 and Airbus side.
How many days can you expect to be away from home if you bid only for turnarounds every time? Are there many 5 or 6 day pairings?
Thanks for any constructive comments and information.
........used exist, but now is extinct ! Was killed by a hunter called CRS......
........used exist, but now is extinct ! Was killed by a hunter called CRS......
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Expecting a constructive answer on the subject of bidding in EK and let alone from EK Ppruners is asking for a Lazarus-like miracle.
You honestly cannot plan your life based on the bidding system whether on boeing or on the bus. You just have to make the best of what you get. Make a few swops if you can otherwise on the few occassions you will get what you want, it will be punctuated with what you don't want.
I think would be a fair assessment of the bidding system in EK
You honestly cannot plan your life based on the bidding system whether on boeing or on the bus. You just have to make the best of what you get. Make a few swops if you can otherwise on the few occassions you will get what you want, it will be punctuated with what you don't want.
.........what animal is a "bid" habibi ?
No such "animal" exists in EK ........used exist, but now is extinct ! Was killed by a hunter called CRS......
No such "animal" exists in EK ........used exist, but now is extinct ! Was killed by a hunter called CRS......
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Here's an example of what you can expect Trent (777 roster this month).
15 days leave.
Rostered flight up to 3 hours before leave starts.
75 hours flying in the remaining 15 days (equates to 150hrs for a full month!!!!!
Flying from west coast of US through to Far East within days...a 16 hour time zone change...and then East Coast Australia..another couple of hours time difference.
A grand total of three days off in the remaining 15 days of work ("oh...you've had plenty of days off on leave..why would we give you any more days off during your 88hrs of duty in 15 days, spanning 18 time zones and 7 night sectors..after all you're only working 8 hours more than our office workers over that 2 week period..what are you complaining about?")
Note; hint of scarcasm in the last paragraph in case you missed it
So Trent, hope you enjoy your time here if you decide to come.
15 days leave.
Rostered flight up to 3 hours before leave starts.
75 hours flying in the remaining 15 days (equates to 150hrs for a full month!!!!!
Flying from west coast of US through to Far East within days...a 16 hour time zone change...and then East Coast Australia..another couple of hours time difference.
A grand total of three days off in the remaining 15 days of work ("oh...you've had plenty of days off on leave..why would we give you any more days off during your 88hrs of duty in 15 days, spanning 18 time zones and 7 night sectors..after all you're only working 8 hours more than our office workers over that 2 week period..what are you complaining about?")
Note; hint of scarcasm in the last paragraph in case you missed it
So Trent, hope you enjoy your time here if you decide to come.
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I'm rostered for 100 hours in April, that doesn't leave much time or strength for family matters. Enough is enough, I've already resigned.
What you outsiders don't seem to understand, it's not just the block hour total, it's the mix of day and night flying and crossing 16 time zones in a month. Very unhealthy, impossible to be a husband/father while exhausted on days off.
What you outsiders don't seem to understand, it's not just the block hour total, it's the mix of day and night flying and crossing 16 time zones in a month. Very unhealthy, impossible to be a husband/father while exhausted on days off.
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the computer does do the insertion but CRS is manipulated to do it the way the company's wants so they can stand back and say it was not manual, you will find more top bid rosters effected by this, about 2 years ago there was a small group of pilots( strong union back ground as well as experience with bidding) were working the system to their advantage ( read O/T ), AAR found out and the rest is what we have now, Thanks boys
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So Fatbus, you are blaming a few pilots who years ago 'allegedly' worked the bidding system to their advantage. Even if your assertion, which is straight out of the company propaganda manual, was true, so what? They didn't disadvantage their colleagues in any way, so how about focusing your venom on the real problem.
The true reason for the disgusting, often illegal and de-humanizing rostering practices at Emirates Airline is AAR. He is the sole reason that rostering is such a nightmare for pilots at EK. THANKS BOY!!!
By the way, what exactly do you mean the computer ''does do the manual insertions''? One of the most bizarre assertions I have ever read here on Pprune. (other than the recent 'company' inserted posts)
The true reason for the disgusting, often illegal and de-humanizing rostering practices at Emirates Airline is AAR. He is the sole reason that rostering is such a nightmare for pilots at EK. THANKS BOY!!!
By the way, what exactly do you mean the computer ''does do the manual insertions''? One of the most bizarre assertions I have ever read here on Pprune. (other than the recent 'company' inserted posts)
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LR 3 - check facts and FOM before speaking 'truth': you can't be on duty at 0230 immediately following leave.
FOM gives you a day off and I've never heard of it not happening- if it does, get on the phone.
FOM gives you a day off and I've never heard of it not happening- if it does, get on the phone.
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You beat me to it! Not only a day off after leave, but you'd then need a rest day before your 0230 report.
Perhaps if some people were more realistic and didn't try for 6 days off before leave, they might not get that DOH the day before leave starts. I've always just gone for 2 and have never not got them.
Harry
You beat me to it! Not only a day off after leave, but you'd then need a rest day before your 0230 report.
Perhaps if some people were more realistic and didn't try for 6 days off before leave, they might not get that DOH the day before leave starts. I've always just gone for 2 and have never not got them.
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Bidding?? You gotta be joking!
Seniority, bid group, bidding strategies.... just an illusion to make you feel like you've got a choice in the matter.
Rostering system is rife with manipulations (pre-assignments for training; management pilot cherry picking trips etc..) and constraints which prevent the software package from working as intended.
Best advice, don't expect the bidding system to always work the way you'd like it to work. Sometimes it's fantastic what can come out of the system, others.. just plain tragic, painful and fatiguing..
On the bright side, each roster delivery day is like a surprise party.... you can keep discovering each and every month you are here..
SHR
Rostering system is rife with manipulations (pre-assignments for training; management pilot cherry picking trips etc..) and constraints which prevent the software package from working as intended.
Best advice, don't expect the bidding system to always work the way you'd like it to work. Sometimes it's fantastic what can come out of the system, others.. just plain tragic, painful and fatiguing..
On the bright side, each roster delivery day is like a surprise party.... you can keep discovering each and every month you are here..
SHR
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It may seem unbelievable to some but I am dealing with all of this on a daily basis at my current airline so it wouldn't be any big change for me (except, of course, the pay)