It is now. But it wasn't before this year. An example of the changing conditions at EK.
For the poster asking about the 42 days. The company will 'try' to give a minimum of 30 days probably in 2 or 3 blocks. The surplus if the 42 days is not reached will not be paid for, in theory may be carried over but in all likelihood will be applied as 'Forced Leave' by scattering blocks of 4 days of company assigned leave arbitrarily month by month until the 42 days is reached.
The annual leave bank is made up of 30 days of contractual leave plus a further 12 days in lieu of public holidays amounting to 42 days. This is why they get away with the above when they can.
I got peak leave for the 1st time in 5yrs this year. So the game rules seem to be very fluid.
We use to be able to take leave in blocks up to 35 days at a time. Then we were told times were hard, and this was tempo reduced to 28 days, and then tempo reduced to 21 days in a row max. But all the time got our 42 days leave per year. And then came Mr Ed...... This buffoon realised that he could share a greater bonus if there were less of us, so he set about a target of 30 days leave per year, per man, perhaps. He would then wax lyrical about how he and his team had almost succeeded in reaching this new reduced target. Ed left, and JA arrived. He made several promises about improved rosters and improved leave. But after a few months he came to realise that none of that could ever materialise, as that would need extra pilots, and that would cost extra money. So the 30 day target for leave still exists. As mentioned above, if your unused leave builds too much, or the flying rate drops a bit, this will be given as forced leave, normally in 4 days blocks. Luckily you can still fly the 85 to 92 hours needed of you that month.
Have heard same happening with cabin crew. No one is getting leave in Feb/March. Only reason I've heard is Chinese New Year. Highly doubt there are that many wanting it off in the company for No one I've spoken to who wanted Feb/March to actually get it.
Last edited by givemewings; 17th Dec 2011 at 20:02.
Thanks for the information....certainly appreciate it!
Don, When you said the company still assigns you the 85 to 92 hours needed for the month when you have vacation or forced leave, am I to infer that your vacation/leave has no credit towards your total hours for the month? I hope my question does not come across as too confusing!
One of the more ugly "cost neutral" adjustments we have seen. Used to be that any vacation day counted as 2.5 hours towards your monthly credit ie take 14 days leave at the beginning of the month and the system would assume you had already done 35 hours towards your requirements for the month when you had come back to work.
That was stripped out some years ago for some bogus reason I am too disgusted to try and dredge from memory, but we were told emphatically, hand on heart that though the practice had disappeared from the published roster it would truly, honestly and righteously be respected in perpetuity.
Not unusual now to take six days leave or so and find you have more hours and less days off than someone who has no leave at all that month.
four days. if you are judicious in your vacation bidding you can bid vac days around your top bid months, thus insuring (mostly) that you will be able to bid days off around your vac....so a 4 day vac plus days off equal 7 or more.
Turtle - In theory you are correct however unless you are extremely precise and cover EVERY option you will find that you may be given a ULR after leave e.g. you bid for 3 XX days off after your VA to prolong your time away from Dubai, if lucky you may be given the XX days however you will find more often than not that you are then rostered for a ULR flight! You therefore have to be back in Dubai for the XX days to be acclimatized for the ULR, hence not prolonging the leave in the place you want to be! (this statement may open a past discussion and bag of worms however it still seems to be going on!)
We all know there is only so much peak leave available, some people are going to be p*ssed off each year some are going to be happy! Having only been allocated 7 non peak days out of 42 (and that's not counting what they still owe me this year to be carried over) I wonder what positive management spin they could possibly put on the way this affects morale! Secondly we all know how impossible it is to use up these carried over days, there is never any time available on LASS, so it just leads to frustration!
The morale of the story - not enough pilots! Why, well just read some of the EK threads, it can't all be untrue!. Also as another pointer for all you potential joiners remember this EK management phrase, you will hear it a lot if you join "if you don't like it then maybe EK is not for you!" (recently changed from "if you don't like it leave!"
PS I wonder how many of our wonderful managers got peak leave? - would love to know!
I think Emergency Leave is a last minute thing, ie have to get home now, im sure if you email your fleet manager and leave planner they will help you out, friends of mine on the 777 have been helped out alot with problems similar to yours.
If they can't help, take it as an omen, it wasn't ment to be, you may look back and be pleased.