I would love to fly to Vancouver and Calgary but I hope Canada wont give in to these hypocrites, EK shouldnt be allowed to fly to any civilized country until they adhere to normal duty time regulations.
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It is encouraging to see Canada, which has far too long been politically docile, standing its ground. Before raising the stakes, the Emiratis may do well to study Canada's reaction to Aeroflot in 2003 (hint: read page 238-240 of Robert Milton's book "Straight from the Top") after the Russians suddenly denied overflight of their airspace on Air Canada's Toronto- New Delhi route and demanded unlimited 5th Freedom Rights as a precondition for continued overflight of Russian airspace.
Besides, headstrong people from Toronto will butt heads with with the headstrong from Dubai, because Torontonians are also totally convinced that their city is the center of the universe. Can't use logic as a tool to convince people who "believe" something of otherwise.
It may have been a joke because we are a smaller token highly trained force. It is understood that some people are sensitive during these days of sacrifice and pain of losing our troops and friends. I have served in the forces for 25 years in the reserves, I can tell you, not too many people are joking at the moment..
Its just out.. Canadians have 27 days to vacate the base in Dubai.
We expected it because of the way things where done. As I posted before, Canada is a sovereign nation, and will not be forced in to any agreement by holding any resource as ransom. They made a decision that is in the best interest of our troops and country. As for emirates wanting more slots, that is very political and I doubt that Canada would be willing to give anything more at this time.
Say what you must but Dubai isn't the only place in the world that can be used as a staging area..
Whoever was doing the "negotiations" for the UAE really s&*t the bed. They obviously didn't do their homework on Steven Harper. Any chance of additional slots to Canada have just vanished for the forseeable future.
While Canadians may have benefitted from better connections and cheaper fares I am supportive of a Canadian government that would not be bullied or seduced. Its a small price to pay to share the burden with those couragous few who are serving so honorably and have, been unfortunately been dragged into this commercial/geopolitical mess.
Canada does not need UAE money, UAE oil, or their style of doing business. I would also suggest some humility as the trips to the USA could give a whole new meaning to "The Long Way Round" without the use of Canadian airspace. It might also be time for Air Canada to do a little soul searching and figure out how to compete globally as they have been given this reprieve. Canadians won't tolerate expensive subpar service forever...
I completely agree with your post mate! It is about time someone stand up to these guys and and make them aware that their bullying tactics and culture is not at all the best way forward. Emirates and the UAE may continue to behave like school yard bullies on their own turf but the rest of the world is starting to sit up and take notice...Good for Canada! Very Good for Canada!... These guys need a good knock up the head more often so they can grow up and stop acting like a bunch of spoiled idiots, but I do not think they are capable of doing that. The give me more...I want, I want because I am special has bitten them in the a$$ this time. I really wish that the energy expended bickering at each other which you see here on this forum, would be channelled towards telling the media and the rest of the world how these guys really operate. Expose them to the max, no need to be shy about it. Why protect them and try to save them from embarrassment? This lot would not think twice about screwing you... in fact they already are! And particularly the style of management at EK... They have told the world that they are the world's most profitable airline. Perhaps one government has finally realized why and how they have become the world's most profitable - exploiting your employees always help a great deal in this case am sure...
It is tragically funny how so many of my fellow Canadian's on this forum act and sound just like the minority of belligerent people in this part of the world that they so self righteously despise. Remember the likes of all of you, that you came to this part of the world of your own free will.
Criticism of the management staff and certain company practices at EK is understandable, but the utter self loathing you all have for your company is a shameful embarrassment to Canadians like me who have our disagreements with some company practices and those who enforce them, but who understand that in the end, that it is through the good will of the people in the UAE that I am allowed to feed my children and give my family a future here at EK.
If you hate the UAE my fellow Canadians THEN LEAVE, believe me there are many more Canadians with much more class who would take your place without a moments hesitation... is that tough for you to swallow..grow up, I can't believe with some of your infantile attitudes that you are allowed at the controls of large commercial aircraft.
How pathetic that a comic barb from the greatest contributors to Canadian peace and economic prosperity, our good neighbors to the south, is treated in such an confrontational and tasteless manner. But this also explains your attitudes about EK. Funny thing is that most of you even fly a Boeing! you who have posted pictures of our men and women in uniform should be ashamed, how many other countries have made sacrifices in Afghanistan?? You know the answer, it's been many from Europe to Asia, and even many more from Australia.
The US "misadventure" as you call it was fully supported by Mr. Harper and company, so maybe you should send your posted pictures to him instead, if you want make so clear, what we all know. The US is our ally, but our mission in Afghanistan was undertaken by the will of Prime minister Steven Harper and government. Not all Canadians agree with the mission, but we all love and support our men and women and uniform and grieve for their loss, if you don't believe it that's your problem.
THE FACT IS
It is Steven Harper and government who are to blame for the putrid state of relations between the UAE and Canada. Collectively they have have shown the diplomatic savy of a ten year old. Supported by the corporate lobby of Air Canada, they have ironically dug their heads in the sand, and lost a diplomatic opportunity to serve Canadians both at home and abroad once again.
27000 Canadians living in the UAE!!, a military base that offered a secure and beneficial staging base for our troops!!, and this MORONIC government fails to secure it's continuity by putting the commercial interests of AIR CANDA and the STAR ALLIANCE first!!!!! well done fools!!! but I guess the likes of many of you who post so regularly agree with the sound logic that with only 27000 Canadians living in the UAE one daily flight is enough. Of course this is what that most impartial and wise body Transport (Air) Canada thinks. Of course who cares that almost 30 million Canadians don't work for Air Canada and actually have something to gain economically from letting the UAE have better access to Canada's airline market. I guess we have more to gain from our relationship to HOLLAND who gets unfettered access and flights to all Canada!!, and we get access to Amsterdam!!! well done HARPER AND COMPANY YOU ARE UTTER FOOLS.
Oh and by the way our fellow Canadians at home will be paying much higher rent for newer basing options in Europe or Central Asia which means more tax, wise business planning from a savy pro business government.
Finally fatbus, nothinholdem and company would take your broken record and LEAVE...YES PLEASE LEAVE, (strangely enough I think I've heard this time and time again on this forum) go elsewhere or better yet go home and be happy for god sake! you'll live longer and have better sex. LOL.
That's enough time wasted on the professional whining forum...
PS fatbus, nothinholdem, ek haters et al, don't bother posting a reply, your hateful ignorance is already well noted.
wow...brilliant Schibulsky , the old "if my side says it, it's true, but if your side says it, it's government sponsored propaganda"... you should be in Harper's cabinet!
oh wait! and now Shazar weighs in? but alas he has made clear his contempt for EK in so many other posts, that who cares about his pat on the back for Canadian resolve in face of blackmail and dictation of the dark UAE. (funny that it is the vile EK monopoly who writes about so much, that keep his country's commercial aerospace industry afloat)
Shazar, you no doubt know so much about the negotiations that went on that you can confidently speak about the blackmail and dictation that Canada resisted, please do enlighten me? what was said? where is your proof? somehow I think I will wait forever for that one, while your country counts the mound of cash it's made from the evil EK monopoly.
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I have been always saying that Emirates count on monopoly in doing business
I genuinely don't understand this statement. I'd like to hear your explanation. Or is this, yet again, another PPRuNe throwaway comment (often made under the influence). In which case, don't bother.
Do you mean that EK has a monopoly on DXB-YYZ? Or do you mean there are many routes which EK operate, that no other airlines choose to compete on?
Just checked flights DXB-YYZ-DXB
Airlines which offer alternatives are: British Airways Lufthansa KLM Air France Austrian Cathay Turkish Air Canada Air India Jet Airways Korean PIA SAS Aerosvit Swiss United
Do you mean EK is the only airline to offer a direct service DXB-YYZ? As far as I know, if another airline did want to fly DXB-YYZ, the problem would be getting the rights at YYZ, not in Dubai. Unless the airline was Air Canada, of course!
wowwww...quick six7driver, wipe some of the spittle off corners of your mouth, your eyes are starting to roll back into their sockets!! lol
I don't have to like, respect, or agree with the entity that employs me, or the country that I live in. I give them precisely the same amount of those qualities as I receive from them. It's that "free will" you mention. I'm not sure the concept is quite so familiar in the Middle East though.
Don't speak to me of the "good will of the people of the UAE", it's a complete lie. We work here for their benefit and the fact that it may benefit us as well as a side effect is completely irrelevant. The millisecond expat workers are not needed, they will be discarded. It is a mindset that still believes slavery is acceptable, dressed up just enough with money and perks to lure the bare minimum they need to make the money they crave. The true fool is one who actually believes the platitudes about being a "guest". If you really believe that EK employs you because they care about you feeding your children (silly rhetoric) I feel pity for you.
I'll just skip the bizarre rant about the Americans and the Canadian troops, I think you embarrassed yourself enough already. Suffice to say that I highly doubt you are privy to the costs of military basings hither or yon...but even if it cost more to base elsewhere, do you not realize that sometimes there is a cost to standing up to blackmailers? Does that principle really require explanation? You've been too long in the sand, you've gone native and think that that's actually a legitimate way of doing business. Diplomatic savvy? You mean like using a military base as leverage for airline rights? Bang-up job, AMBASSADOR!
You toss numbers around. Are those 27,000 Canadians in the Gulf really struggling to get back to Canada? Is the DXB-YYZ flight the only option? Give me a break. And 30 million Canadians in Canada would gain financially from Emirates having increased access? Of course in a general sense the public always gains when there is more choice, but I think you're overstating the benefits to the Canadian public. As it stands there are MULTIPLE options for travel between the two countries. Just because it isn't as cheap, convenient or frequent as YOU would like, you throw the toys out of the pram.
You trot out the tired out "if you don't like it, leave"...as if liking something is the only factor in being somewhere. How do you know I'm not happy? I'm ecstatic that that at least some of my fellow Canadians are getting to leave this place, I'll be even happier when Canada pulls out of Afghanistan, and I look forward to the day when the gear sucks up for the last time outta here.
All in all, life is good and getting better. Don't let your hatred of Canada and Air Canada consume you. (Were you a RP on the '67 perchance?)
no limits...relax and go home dude you're paranoid delusional, what difference does it make where I come from? you gonna hunt me down LOL. you end your rant about me saying "don't let your hatred of Canada consume you"??? what??????? I love Canada so have another drink...
You should have read the bottom of my post, your hatred for all things Emirates is noted.
What a weird thing cause you if you work for Emirates that means you hate yourself? lol now go bully someone else on some other forum.
How about rebutting some of the points about the numbers you toss around so casually?
I can do ad hominem attacks as well but it's kind of boring. I will say, I find it very telling that you equate one's employer with oneself. I don't. No wonder you defend Emirates so vigourously when you tie your identity to it. I don't hate all things Emirates. I'd prefer they stayed the hell out of Canada. *shrug*
To get things back on point, any more word on whether the troops will be bullied (sorry, firmly told) into being expelled (sorry, asked politely to leave)?