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You know guys….
One man's trash can be another's treasure. That goes with bidding, rosters as well as.. Airline companies!
I can only comment on EK since I work here. I would say this to chrislikesblue: Walk a few months in our shoes and you'll completely understand why guys are bailing out left and right. And at least 4 others I know of here are either at or going to THY. Yes the money is less BUT at some point certain things become more important than the financial aspect of it.
To take it this to the extremes, you can earn a million Lira/dollars/euros a year and be mostly happy but when the company starts asking you to work 60 and 70 hours each and every week, you can only do that so long before you just break down and start making errors, and mistakes and worse, an effect on your family! I've flown with two FO's now in the past 2 months who have said to me that their kids have asked, "Daddy, why are you so tired all the time. We want to play". That is one of several reasons why EK pilots are leaving and very few qualified pilots are applying at EK. Notice the severely lowered minimums at EK now? Guess why that is???
As a suggestion, I'd offer you to have a look at and read the other threads on EK. I'd say it's mostly spot on!
So… flying 95 plus hours month after month after month is simply not sustainable to most and when we 777 guys see a roster with 9 and sometimes 10 days off in a row with a confirmed seat to/from home.. each and every month to refresh after the grueling roster of 3 "ER's" each month, a lot of EK guys are saying, "Sign me up" as it is far far superior to flying 95 hours each month until you have vacation… sometimes up to 7-8 months.
Dubai? Well, I can't really say much because it can cause issues here so I'll just say it takes on a very different persona between living here full time vs just coming for two weeks of vacation. Worth every day of the two weeks vacation I might add.
Just some food for thought….
K
One man's trash can be another's treasure. That goes with bidding, rosters as well as.. Airline companies!
I can only comment on EK since I work here. I would say this to chrislikesblue: Walk a few months in our shoes and you'll completely understand why guys are bailing out left and right. And at least 4 others I know of here are either at or going to THY. Yes the money is less BUT at some point certain things become more important than the financial aspect of it.
To take it this to the extremes, you can earn a million Lira/dollars/euros a year and be mostly happy but when the company starts asking you to work 60 and 70 hours each and every week, you can only do that so long before you just break down and start making errors, and mistakes and worse, an effect on your family! I've flown with two FO's now in the past 2 months who have said to me that their kids have asked, "Daddy, why are you so tired all the time. We want to play". That is one of several reasons why EK pilots are leaving and very few qualified pilots are applying at EK. Notice the severely lowered minimums at EK now? Guess why that is???
As a suggestion, I'd offer you to have a look at and read the other threads on EK. I'd say it's mostly spot on!
So… flying 95 plus hours month after month after month is simply not sustainable to most and when we 777 guys see a roster with 9 and sometimes 10 days off in a row with a confirmed seat to/from home.. each and every month to refresh after the grueling roster of 3 "ER's" each month, a lot of EK guys are saying, "Sign me up" as it is far far superior to flying 95 hours each month until you have vacation… sometimes up to 7-8 months.
Dubai? Well, I can't really say much because it can cause issues here so I'll just say it takes on a very different persona between living here full time vs just coming for two weeks of vacation. Worth every day of the two weeks vacation I might add.
Just some food for thought….
K
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I don't think you can compare the lifestyle in Dubai and Istanbul, because there is nothing cost free and enjoyable at the same time in Dubai. You can always take a walk in several places in Istanbul(cost free). Well for the rosters, it can get worse and worse but it won't be even half bad as in EK. My friend does 4 flights in the high season and 2 days sim. Those 4 flights consist of 3 USA destinations and the other one to Ankara which is 1 hour leg. So when you come back with a ground time of 1 hour you still have the rest of the day. In the fors case scenario you have lots of off days. 2x4 days off in a row + 1x5 days off in a row and 1x3 days off in a row. That is "the thoughest roster ever" he ever came across with(type 777) and if you ever get such a roster in EK, please stick with EK.
People are not coming to THY for the pay but for the relaxed roster.
For a normal month you can conclude one of those flights and the sim.
People are not coming to THY for the pay but for the relaxed roster.
For a normal month you can conclude one of those flights and the sim.
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Even the wide body pilots are looking at other jobs now. That's the talk anyway, whether they move or not is yet to be seen. The fact they are all talking about it, mainly due to the salary, and the changing of conditions as it suits THY, is very different to the way it was 2 years ago.
I just hate the way they charge in Dollars but pay in Lira. Why dollars for income, but Lira for outgoings!!?? ...... Management getting bonuses off our losses!
It's not just THY though... though whole industry is F....d!
I just hate the way they charge in Dollars but pay in Lira. Why dollars for income, but Lira for outgoings!!?? ...... Management getting bonuses off our losses!
It's not just THY though... though whole industry is F....d!
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So where is the massexodus? Only 42 pilots have resigned this year. One has died, 8 were sacked due to age and five were sacked for other reasons.
181 yibancys hired this year...
181 yibancys hired this year...
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You have to realise when a pilot makes a decision to leave, it takes several months to secure another position.
I have noticed in the last 6 weeks a massive change in sentiment with the expats. Nearly all of them are either leaving, in Interviews with other Airlines, have applied to other Airlines, or are at the very least talking of leaving. It wasn't like this before (certainly wide body).
So your "mass Exodus" whatever the term implies, will be evident within the next 3 to 6 months. That's my guess anyway.
If TK fix the salary, it may go some way to block the leak.
I have noticed in the last 6 weeks a massive change in sentiment with the expats. Nearly all of them are either leaving, in Interviews with other Airlines, have applied to other Airlines, or are at the very least talking of leaving. It wasn't like this before (certainly wide body).
So your "mass Exodus" whatever the term implies, will be evident within the next 3 to 6 months. That's my guess anyway.
If TK fix the salary, it may go some way to block the leak.
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I spoke with recruiters for Turkish... THE ONLY reason I will never go there is that they expect me to pay for my own type rating. If that isn't bad enough, they do not guarantee that you will be placed into the type of aircraft you hired on for... so someone who buys their own 737 type for Turkish could then be put into a320 school and be required to buy that type too.
I have 4,000 of turbine time, and an airline wants me to pay for my own type rating? They tried recruiting ME, not the other way around, and this is their offer? Laughable.
I have 4,000 of turbine time, and an airline wants me to pay for my own type rating? They tried recruiting ME, not the other way around, and this is their offer? Laughable.
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Good evening Gentlemen,
Could someone who has recently been through the THY selection please please contact me via PM i have tried before and had no luck! i genuinely would appreciate it.
Thank you in advance,
Scott
Could someone who has recently been through the THY selection please please contact me via PM i have tried before and had no luck! i genuinely would appreciate it.
Thank you in advance,
Scott
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Can anyone confirm the rumor that over 50 pilots from THY has left for Qatar Airways?
Lira keeps on falling, will be interesting with the upcoming election as well. Won't exactly make things better at THY.
Lira keeps on falling, will be interesting with the upcoming election as well. Won't exactly make things better at THY.
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The rumours i got about THY was about 60 captains and 150 first officers leaving since the beginning of this year. Only 120 left for Qatar but i don't know if it is true anymore. However i got the rumours both from THY side and Qatar side.
The currency problem is mainly because of Turkish economy falling apart. Since the first time the U.S. manufacturing low cost dollars and pumping the world with that, most of the clever countries invested on education, building factories with big production lines and technology like South Korea.
You know what Turkey did? They built houses and buildings. It is like the real estate crisis both in Dubai and the sort of mortgage crisis in the U.S. back in 2008.
We have built a lot of real estates and a very big balloon came up. Since the U.S. will raise the interest rate, USD is warming up for a race while TL is calming down.
What will happen after now on?
For sure there will be an economical crisis and it will be big, and it will be deep. Big banks' projections for the USD/TL rate for the end of 2016 is somewhre around 3.85.
So it is not the USD moving up, it is the TL falling down.
Since there also will be a political crisis after the elections, none of the governmental facilities don't want to do any investments(since all of the moves they make are dirty and corrupted) because the next day of the elections, if the opposing party wins, they will start cleaning the mess up from last then backwards.
The currency problem is mainly because of Turkish economy falling apart. Since the first time the U.S. manufacturing low cost dollars and pumping the world with that, most of the clever countries invested on education, building factories with big production lines and technology like South Korea.
You know what Turkey did? They built houses and buildings. It is like the real estate crisis both in Dubai and the sort of mortgage crisis in the U.S. back in 2008.
We have built a lot of real estates and a very big balloon came up. Since the U.S. will raise the interest rate, USD is warming up for a race while TL is calming down.
What will happen after now on?
For sure there will be an economical crisis and it will be big, and it will be deep. Big banks' projections for the USD/TL rate for the end of 2016 is somewhre around 3.85.
So it is not the USD moving up, it is the TL falling down.
Since there also will be a political crisis after the elections, none of the governmental facilities don't want to do any investments(since all of the moves they make are dirty and corrupted) because the next day of the elections, if the opposing party wins, they will start cleaning the mess up from last then backwards.
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The final blow at THY is coming by NLH. Rumors are they will be offering a 40% pay rise and open two new bases in EU BCN and ORY on 787. I think this will cause a massive outflow from the ranks of 777 skippers.Unless something will be done asap.
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What's the guess there for the political thing? Erdogan or someone else?
The biggest issue I see at the moment is the massiv drop of the Lira during the last 3 years. Loosing more then 45% of the salary because of the weak currency is an real issue for the most expat pilots.
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@furbpilot Perfect for Erdogan and the AKP.
What options should Europe reconsider? The relationships with Europe and esp. the EU are struggling since years. I do not expect that their will be any improvement over the next years.
The US policy will not change a lot. Turkey is now a partner in the war against IS. And with Russian troops on their way to Syrian the US will work close with the Turkish Army.
3.85 sounds a little bit to high for the USD, but who knows. That would be a real issue and create a real Exodus of THY pilots.
What options should Europe reconsider? The relationships with Europe and esp. the EU are struggling since years. I do not expect that their will be any improvement over the next years.
The US policy will not change a lot. Turkey is now a partner in the war against IS. And with Russian troops on their way to Syrian the US will work close with the Turkish Army.
3.85 sounds a little bit to high for the USD, but who knows. That would be a real issue and create a real Exodus of THY pilots.
