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paokara,
Money in TK is less than EK, however you do 3 flights a month.
I think after a certain age and experience, when you have saved enough, money is not an issue anymore but the quality of life...
Money in TK is less than EK, however you do 3 flights a month.
I think after a certain age and experience, when you have saved enough, money is not an issue anymore but the quality of life...
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foswillruletheworld has it spot on!!!
At some point, the money is not worth the aggravation of being at EK and I've reached that point… and that's fine for me. I'm in this for job satisfaction, something which few of us Ek pilots have these days.
Foswillruletheworld knows me and understands this. If you're not happy in your job, you can't be successful….
K
At some point, the money is not worth the aggravation of being at EK and I've reached that point… and that's fine for me. I'm in this for job satisfaction, something which few of us Ek pilots have these days.
Foswillruletheworld knows me and understands this. If you're not happy in your job, you can't be successful….
K
short flights long nights
Enjoy Kap! As you know, I'm enjoying my wife, the fire, the dogs, and not getting up at midnight to fly 92 hours a month.
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captFRIZZ, what are you basing your bashing on?
What were the hour requirements when you applied?
To answer your question:
Much, much better roster. More time off, more flexible roster and much less flying. More rest on layovers.
Much cheaper to live in Istanbul as long as you don't own a luxurious car.
Much closer to Europe.
The 777-gig and the 737-gig cannot be compared. The 777 is still a great gig for alot of people.
What were the hour requirements when you applied?
To answer your question:
Much, much better roster. More time off, more flexible roster and much less flying. More rest on layovers.
Much cheaper to live in Istanbul as long as you don't own a luxurious car.
Much closer to Europe.
The 777-gig and the 737-gig cannot be compared. The 777 is still a great gig for alot of people.
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I disagree Bob777
96 hours on the 777?? Well, I've never done that many hours here. For the last 6 months my max has been around 75 - 80 hours. Plus, you need to compare apples with apples. Most of our flying is over 10 hour sectors, and 3 hours of that is in the bunk resting with full credited hours. I wouldn't want to insult the gentlemen at EK who are doing more hours than us in a far less efficient environment. To compare the two is not a fair example IMO.
Layovers at 24 hours is correct.
Salary is also correct, and that is IMO THE main issue and does need to be addressed rather soon!.
Having said that, the 10 days off straight I get at home in a row is something I'm sure an EK guy would salivate over.
Horses for courses, but I know a few ex EK guys and none of them have a remote desire to go back. Obviously you know of others!?
96 hours on the 777?? Well, I've never done that many hours here. For the last 6 months my max has been around 75 - 80 hours. Plus, you need to compare apples with apples. Most of our flying is over 10 hour sectors, and 3 hours of that is in the bunk resting with full credited hours. I wouldn't want to insult the gentlemen at EK who are doing more hours than us in a far less efficient environment. To compare the two is not a fair example IMO.
Layovers at 24 hours is correct.
Salary is also correct, and that is IMO THE main issue and does need to be addressed rather soon!.
Having said that, the 10 days off straight I get at home in a row is something I'm sure an EK guy would salivate over.
Horses for courses, but I know a few ex EK guys and none of them have a remote desire to go back. Obviously you know of others!?
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Frizz, we require English level 4 or greater not text speak level 1, forgetting that small issue, if you apply as "type rated FO" you need 1500 hrs on aircraft over 27T and 1000 hrs on the type you apply for. Turkish Airlines - Job Opportunities - turkishairlines.com
When you open the link it clearly states " in order for your application to be considered you must meet the minimum requirements"
We are aware that some " agencies" were gathering cannon fodder to swell their databases and perhaps giving false hope to applicants
When you open the link it clearly states " in order for your application to be considered you must meet the minimum requirements"
We are aware that some " agencies" were gathering cannon fodder to swell their databases and perhaps giving false hope to applicants
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I've seen a roster for a 777 Capt and it was about 72 hours and I've been told the layovers (at least the North American ones) are 48 hours.
I think you would have to experience what's going on at EK these days to really get a grasp of how bad it is… and why most of us want to leave… even for less money! I can tell you many many of our guys at EK are either interviewing or have resignation dates. There MUST be a reason…. Ya, it's that bad there. There IS a reason we're all leaving…..
There are some other things that are "intangible" to making a move from EK to TK. Things like being respected (even a little bit more than at EK), things like not being lied to about getting 42 days vacation each year but only getting 30. Why… manning issues? Well, that's not our fault… we don't man the airline… Management does!
I have no illusions whatsoever that things at TK will be nirvana, but they absolutely, positively are a step up from the treatment, the simple lack of respect, the unsustainable rosters, the vacations that sometimes end up in groups of 5 days… yes a VACATION of only 5 days awarded to us.
A TK roster is so far superior to anything at EK… in this small way: A TK pilot on the 777 gets 9 and sometimes even 10 days off in row. At Ek, we can only ever get 5…. and that's very hard to get. And after flying months and months of 92 plus hours per month with crazy time zones PLUS crazy hours of night time/daytime combinations leading to no let up until you have your vacation, it really starts taking it's toll on your health!
So, when I see an actual roster of a TK pilot (B777 CA) with 71 hours and 10 days off in row…. SIGN ME UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That alone is worth it's weight in gold to any EK 777 Captain!
Kap
I think you would have to experience what's going on at EK these days to really get a grasp of how bad it is… and why most of us want to leave… even for less money! I can tell you many many of our guys at EK are either interviewing or have resignation dates. There MUST be a reason…. Ya, it's that bad there. There IS a reason we're all leaving…..
There are some other things that are "intangible" to making a move from EK to TK. Things like being respected (even a little bit more than at EK), things like not being lied to about getting 42 days vacation each year but only getting 30. Why… manning issues? Well, that's not our fault… we don't man the airline… Management does!
I have no illusions whatsoever that things at TK will be nirvana, but they absolutely, positively are a step up from the treatment, the simple lack of respect, the unsustainable rosters, the vacations that sometimes end up in groups of 5 days… yes a VACATION of only 5 days awarded to us.
A TK roster is so far superior to anything at EK… in this small way: A TK pilot on the 777 gets 9 and sometimes even 10 days off in row. At Ek, we can only ever get 5…. and that's very hard to get. And after flying months and months of 92 plus hours per month with crazy time zones PLUS crazy hours of night time/daytime combinations leading to no let up until you have your vacation, it really starts taking it's toll on your health!
So, when I see an actual roster of a TK pilot (B777 CA) with 71 hours and 10 days off in row…. SIGN ME UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That alone is worth it's weight in gold to any EK 777 Captain!
Kap
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While I would question Frizz's use of text , there are too many English language guru's here who equate ELP level with the ability to converse fluently in English , partly because they , myself included, are handicapped with the burden of only being able to communicate in English .
The ELP is an assessment of a level of Aviation English proficiency , not a freaking university level course ! Additionally , in most jurisdictions it is administered by the locals who are not English speakers themselves , but that is a separate issue .
The ELP is an assessment of a level of Aviation English proficiency , not a freaking university level course ! Additionally , in most jurisdictions it is administered by the locals who are not English speakers themselves , but that is a separate issue .
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Gentlemen, Ladies, handbags down! part of the THY assessment process is an English test, there is a fairly consistent failure rate with this. I too find this rather strange given some of the existing crew have lower than "standard" as observed in the sim and line training, on the other hand, we must consider the recruitment " team" seem to have taken this area as a go/no go item, just a word to the wise...We are aware of " dodgy' ELP certificates etc, which is one reason this area is double checked, along with the " high school diploma/ degree" status..too many " on-line" universities , thinking of which, i could be a Doctor, Dentist, Eye Surgeon and the whole course is just $100!
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When I went to assessment recently, the english test was the very first thing our group did.
You sit at a computer wearing a headset with a mic about 2 or 3 cubicles from anyone else so that you won't be disturbed from others.
You have to answer questions into the mic from a recording and have a time limit which is plenty enough.
Second part of it is to describe in your own words a picture they put up on the screen again with a time limit. It's more than ample time to do it.
Lastly is an aviation english part where they show either alphanumeric characters which you have to read aloud into the mic (as above) and also some things like altimeter settings to read back that you see on the screen.
I don't mind telling this because it's something that you can either do… or not do. Nothing really to practice on (except your english skills). Our group all made it thru this part.
It's funny as I almost thought I wasn't going to make it because they showed this for me to read back: Frequency 129.35. I got a bit lazy and said "one-twenty-nine point thirty-five. I think the actual proper response should have been, "one-two-niner point three-five as a verbal response. Lol… was a bit worried!!
K
PS…. Kirks, you have an email for that $100 PhD Degree thingy? :-)
You sit at a computer wearing a headset with a mic about 2 or 3 cubicles from anyone else so that you won't be disturbed from others.
You have to answer questions into the mic from a recording and have a time limit which is plenty enough.
Second part of it is to describe in your own words a picture they put up on the screen again with a time limit. It's more than ample time to do it.
Lastly is an aviation english part where they show either alphanumeric characters which you have to read aloud into the mic (as above) and also some things like altimeter settings to read back that you see on the screen.
I don't mind telling this because it's something that you can either do… or not do. Nothing really to practice on (except your english skills). Our group all made it thru this part.
It's funny as I almost thought I wasn't going to make it because they showed this for me to read back: Frequency 129.35. I got a bit lazy and said "one-twenty-nine point thirty-five. I think the actual proper response should have been, "one-two-niner point three-five as a verbal response. Lol… was a bit worried!!
K
PS…. Kirks, you have an email for that $100 PhD Degree thingy? :-)
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Hi guys. Would appreciate a PM if possible with regards to a FO 777 position with TK. Im 777 rated with 5500TT and the majority on jets. Can someone let me know how the rosters for a B777 FO (example of trips or time away from base etc) and also there is mention of a training bond payable if you leave before 2 years, any idea how much this is? I know a lot of guys are asking the same stuff but I would appreciate anyone thats there that can give me a brief rundown or answer these 1 or 2 questions. Thank you in advance.
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You are aware of dodgy ELP certificates. I trust you are since so many locals have a 6 on license but would not be able to read this post. Just wonder if anyone in HR as a sense of the reality around them.... 