Prestige-jet..exodus begins

EX TERMINATOR · 14th March 2009, 17:23

Dear All,
As with any other company that has potential employment opportunities, it pays to find out for sure what the real picture of the company is. In the case of Prestige Jet, all must have heard good as well as bad things about this company. For the sake of all the decent and innocent people, do not fall into the same trap as I did. THINK DEEP BEFORE YOU LEAP. Do not attempt joining Prestige Jet unless you are absolutely sure what the company is like from the inside. Do not believe or take for granted what you have been hearing or reading about this company, whether good or bad. After all, it is your family's and your future that you would be putting at stake.
May I also remind all that the level of decency and professionalism has to be observed and maintained in this respectable forum. I know that some participants do tend to struggle when it comes to selecting the right phraseology and vocabulary, but this is not what I am exactly referring to. Even if someone's language is poor, they can still be polite, decent and tactful in their exchange of thoughts and ideas. Not in any instant should we lose focus simply because we are trapped or overwhelmed by the painful truth, and start losing control over our vocabulary.
I hereby wish everybody luck and hope that the truth will reach all who deserve the truth to reach them.

S.F.L.Y · 14th March 2009, 18:49

Thank you for this wise and polite introduction. Few days ago a participant of this forum wanted to show me how well this company was doing as a previous thread was seriously compromising Prestige Jet. This gentleman invited me to come to Abu Dhabi and see by myself during a visit of the company. I accepted his invitation and gave him my name and phone number to schedule something with him. Since the previous thread has been closed, I didn't hear any news from him. I would really have appreciated that he would come back to me as fast as he was replying to each post attacking his company. I'm still open to his invitation and look forward to hear from him as I would be interested in checking some rumors related to the grounding of some of their aircrafts.

MotoMoto · 15th March 2009, 06:54

Could someone please tell me if it is true that several of Prestige Jet's aircraft have been grounded by the GCAA due to maintenance issues?

There are a lot of rumors on this company not being able to pay bills and that some aircraft being tried to been taken back by leasing companies for nonpayment.

Maintenance is another major issue for this company or so I have heard. A lot of non-licensed mechanics and false logbooks entries, releases, etc.

Can someone who is in the know of this company please confirm this about several of their aircraft being grounded regarding the maintenance issues.

Thanks for the info.

MotoMoto

MotoMoto · 15th March 2009, 07:01

Can someone who has had either good or bad experience with this company care to elaborate on this.

I am thinking about joining this company on a CJ that they have in the middle east.

Is this company worth getting into or will it just be a nightmare from the beginning?

Thanks for the input and comments

MotoMoto

EX TERMINATOR · 15th March 2009, 08:13

Dear S.F.L.Y,
I sincerely hope that you end up visiting Prestige Jet in a "truth finding" mission. If it does happen, please pay their maintenance a visit and ask for the aircraft tech log sheets and check for defect entries compared to the hours achieved. You will find out what will lead you to one of two conclusions:

Either their aircraft are almost perfect and maintenance free!!!!!!, or
Much of the maintenance work on the aircraft is being done without documenting it. Why? simply because there are no authorized mechanics to do the work!

Also, while out there, please ask for the mechanics training, licensing and type rate records. You will see the practical translation of the word "VIOLATION". The question is: Wasn't anything done about it? you will find the answer in the reports that their X-maintenance director made to the CEO. Try to have access to some of said reports and see for yourself. It was made in black and white: " until mechanics are properly licensed and authorized, work on the aircraft will continue to be in violation of the GCAA as well as international rules and regulations". The CEO was given LEGAL solutions but never cared to find the time to discuss them. He was too busy expanding! One thing that has to be made very clear; most of their maintenance staff/mechanics are pretty decent and experienced but this is not all that it takes.
What is hurting most is the fact that while maintenance staff have, and still are, jeopardizing their future and careers, they are being treated like slaves. Mr. CEO knows very well how to complete the elements of the slavery chain: Overwork, underpay and lack of respect. Please, try to converse with any of them (except the new maintenance director) and ask how many working hours a week each one puts, and how many times their requests for overtime have been rejected by the CEO. Try to ask any of them about the CEO's response regarding the repeated requests for transportation allowance which they had been promised from day one!!

As you can see, the above directly relates to the the safety of flight in light of the existing work environment and facts on the ground, and consequently gives an indication as to the level of professionalism at PJ.
Other facts pertaining to other departments remain to be exposed.

Again, I urge all not to take my words for granted. PJ CEO claims that their doors are open with extreme transparency, I challenge him to prove me wrong without using substandard and insulting language.
Please remember that this debate is intended to make the truth known for the sake of the good and misinformed people.

S.F.L.Y · 15th March 2009, 08:21

Unfortunately no visit until now... I've done my part providing my personal details to these gentlemen and guess it's now there call to move forward with a visit.

If you want to fly on a CJ try with Elite, I think they are much more serious and professional. I won't elaborate on Prestige as it may bring back the whole bunch of propaganda boys but I don't really think you want to join them. Wether you consider Prestige or Gulfjet the roots are the same and sadly their MDs or ex-MDs are leading both companies into the same direction. This is what happen when managers are not properly screened. That's sad for the employees who will have to pay the price for "inappropriate" managers.

EX TERMINATOR · 15th March 2009, 11:17

Dear S.F.L.Y,
Indeed, this is what happens to companies and employees with unscreened managers. In the case of PJ, the best is yet to come. I join you and all who sympathize with the decent and innocent employees.

NZ X man · 16th March 2009, 00:28

I know of one pilot who works for them and he advised me that they did have maintenance issues with their aircraft, so you could be right.

EX TERMINATOR · 16th March 2009, 10:51

Dear All,
It would not surprise me in the least to find most, if not all of their aircraft grounded. Beside the maintenance issues, there are also other legal issues. They have at least four N registered aircraft under their management which they have been operating commercially and lying to the GCAA and FAA that they were being used solely for the owners private flights. There are also issues relating to the ops department where pilots have been pressured into exceeding their limitations and flying without proper validations, or expired validations and/or current training.

S.F.L.Y · 16th March 2009, 11:25

The sooner the batch of unprofessional companies will be gone, the better it will be for the rest of the industry as it should hopefully free some room to work and all of this comes from badly screened unscrupulous managers who used to lie on their personal experience and qualifications in order to get their position. Shame on them as they knew exactly what they were doing each time they crossed the legal lines.

Fossil1 · 18th March 2009, 20:01

simple Q
can you list the company you joined ,period, and reason you left before you joining PJ.

Fossil1 · 20th March 2009, 09:26

You will have to think multiple times before even attempting to approach or write about prestige . Give yourself a chance to thoroughly and fully experience with aviation world.
Many losers are intentionally open-ended and refuse to resolve their internal tensions.
FYI Prestige not need to defend to looser or homeless PPL ,so check where you stand and who you are and what you did wrong ,and why you are useless
if you are decent man face these facts .
poor you