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Old 30th May 2009, 11:27   #1 (permalink)
 
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Grrr Emirates Reality

Pilots of Emirates have been confronted with the crucial reality of Emirates Airlines.
It is not a secret, that the international business experience with local business partners in the Middle East i.e. Dubai turned to be unreliable and often had been shaded by fraud.
In the last few years Emirates Airlines had recruited over 1500 pilots. As the Middle East is not a favorable working environment compared to the developed world, some attractive offers must been promised by Emirates to give up a natural- and cultural healthy way of life.
Emirates promised:
·Excellent carrier development
·Excellent health insurance package, free for the pilot
·Free Villa for families or Apartments including Utility Costs
·Guaranteed Salary packages, min 3% increase per year, attractive paid overtime, changes of a profit share – as the company is making profit every years since 1988
·Excellent school system, company supports family needs.

Pilots resigned from their companies and the stagnating market with some Chapter 11 case in the US and bankruptcies in Canada and other countries helped Emirates to fill up the pilot pool.
The economical crises starting 2008 had been forecasted already 2006. Especially Dubai driven by greed under control of the Maktoum Family ended up being bankruptcy.
Only one example, thousands of suppliers to Nakheel, a Government owned Company, have not been paid for their trust into the State, and ended up in being shut down, in dept, lost their Visas, expelled. That´s the way the Government solves their problems.
In the last years Emirates Airlines at least seemed to be different:
Phase I: The top management British, all secondary key positions were carried out by experienced Expatriates, many British, Australian, South African. One representative National - Sheikh Ahmed bin Saeed Al Maktoum - as Chairman.
Phase II: Establishment of a solid, competitive, respected carrier: recruitment of experienced international employees; Building up of an experienced, high qualified pilot pool, able to develop and establish own training capacities.
Phase III: Establishment of training facilities to recruit and train national students.
Phase IV: Replacement of Expatriates A) in key positions B) in the pilot pool by Nationals.

Emirates Airline has reached Phase IV A: In the last 4 years more and more key positions well carried out by Expatriates have been replaced by Nationals. The Expatriate had been moved into the second row, still doing all the work. The National becomes the official decision maker.
Result: an overweighed and inefficient management structure, national decision makers in positions of Senior Vice Presidents, Chief Pilots, Technical Pilots, with low competence, low experience often no experience but Emirates Airline.
This luxury costs money, lots of money, very often to recover from wrong decisions made but not losing the face. Additional millions are invested to pay for a good reputation; advertisement; expensive sponsoring of sport teams. One goal is vital important for Emirates regardless of the costs: Emirates Reputation, a glamorous appearance of Emirates to the outside world!
Now Emirates needs to fill up their cash reserves. The Airline as Dubai Government cannot survive anymore without Abu Dhabi money.
The Reality for the pilots:
·The promised Villa might be a dream for many months, by that time you will be temporary squeezed into a 2 bedroom apartment surrounded 24 hrs by construction noise. Some colleges have to live like that more than 8 month, wife’s left – fed up by all the lies about Dubai.
·Your command training might take 5 to 7 years
·The contract negotiated yearly 3% salary increase, as reward for your seniority and inflations, has just been taken away by a so named “contract adjustment later” of course without talking to you, your understanding is expected.
·The contract negotiated free housing and utility costs just taken away by a memo letter.
·More and more aircraft on the line with major technical issues. Emirates maintenance are saving cost by rotating defect parts between aircraft instead of replacing them, in the extreme: technical logbooks will be signed off with false entries to safe the operation!
Cristal Clear: Emirates is betraying and squeezing their employees. The Airline relies on their power in their country were you as an expatriate basically have no rights.
The attempt to make pilots pay for their water and electricity costs demonstrates how immoral the company actually is: Emirates excuses the cost transfer with the argument to safe energy costs for the Government. The villas pilots are living in, are of a poor construction quality, no proper insulation against the outside heat, cheap, inefficient air condition systems.
The government owns the water and electricity production. Nationals are not paying for water and only a quarter of the expat price for electricity. Now the expatriate pilots will be squeezed with the expatriate rate to fill up Emirates cash reserves. How immoral an impudent is that!
Emirates became an unsafe airline. Extreme fatigue is constantly ignored and considered to be a low risk factor. Local GCAA regulations are undermined, maximum duty times ignored – it is all possible, because the chairman of the GCAA is Sheikh Ahmed bin Saeed Al Maktoum as well.
Thousands of Emirates pilots are ready to leave, desperately waiting for the economical recovery in the Airline business.
One is for sure! Stay away from Emirates! Find contact to Emirates pilots they will tell you the real truth.
Once Emirates was one of the greatest companies, but that times are gone, over - a nightmare is the reality!
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Old 30th May 2009, 13:35   #2 (permalink)
 
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forum started more than 6h ago...

All you, EK drivers, chicken or too tired to comment?!
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Old 30th May 2009, 14:22   #3 (permalink)
 
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Swish.... what do you think....duh
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Old 30th May 2009, 14:35   #4 (permalink)
 
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All you, EK drivers, chicken or too tired to comment?!
I think they may still be trying to read the whole thing!
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Old 30th May 2009, 15:22   #5 (permalink)
 
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Thousands of Emirates pilots are ready to leave
EK has about 2000-3000 pilots, i find it difficult to imagine that Thousands are ready to leave.

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The Expatriate had been moved into the second row, still doing all the work.
If the pay has been maintained with the same level of responsability, it is only natural to assume local people would want to run their airline.

Otherwise ,a pretty good Analysis. Maybe another Expat Brainstorm is needed to ease the stagnation that is affecting EK.
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Old 30th May 2009, 15:47   #6 (permalink)
 
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I swear last I checked the majority of senior management whether in Flt Ops or in the company was still held by foreigners! I may be wrong though maybe Tim Clarke is an Emiraeti?(hope i spelt that right)
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Old 30th May 2009, 16:27   #7 (permalink)
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Talking Travel priviliges ! ! !

Can someone explain how the travel benefits work in Emirates? I would love to work for them sometime soon, but will also like to go visit my family back home on my days off or visit some other country. Will aprecciate all the feedback you can bring...

Thanks!
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Old 30th May 2009, 16:41   #8 (permalink)
 
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Staff travel is not cheap, if it was you would never get a seat because @20000 of EK employees have a very large number of family members from the sub continent that would fill every seat .

As far as Ticlak goes, as much as EK pilots are not happy at the moment ,you need to get your facts rights, if you are an EK pilot then you need to read the small print in the employee manual,

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Old 30th May 2009, 20:12   #9 (permalink)
 
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Days off...

K-lango,
"...will also like to go visit my family back home on my days off"
You're kidding, right?
Sorry buddy, only if the family lives in Fujarah, Al-Ain, or RAK will you see them on days off...
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Old 31st May 2009, 09:57   #10 (permalink)
 
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troff is right. Haven't seen my family and friends since mid March. But I did get three days off in a row in June.
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Old 23rd June 2009, 09:18   #11 (permalink)
 
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wouhaou .....picture is not good .....
What if I am supposed to join EK soon , single F/O ?
Golf green are expensive ??
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Old 23rd June 2009, 09:54   #12 (permalink)
 
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It happend to Gulf Air
It is happening to Emirates
It will happen to Etihad and Qatar
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Old 23rd June 2009, 10:55   #13 (permalink)
 
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...what a wonderful handle! Sorry for the thread drifting but 'Dixon Cider'....fantastic!!
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Old 23rd June 2009, 12:54   #14 (permalink)
 
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like a bit of the old cider from time to time!
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Old 23rd June 2009, 13:31   #15 (permalink)
 
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Who ever started this forum believes only white people can run an airline. Brits,Aussies and south africans...hmmmmmmm. It will be intersting too see who will be on top in the next five years in the middle east.
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Old 23rd June 2009, 13:45   #16 (permalink)
 
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In my opinion , whether the management is white Europeans , local Emirati or whoever , as long as they are professional , capable , and fair they should be allowed to run the airline. Hire the best.... screw the rest. Placing an individual in a management position because of what we see on the outside versus what`s inside their heads can only lead to failure.
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Old 23rd June 2009, 14:30   #17 (permalink)
 
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European Mgmt?

Fubaileri's comment got me misty eyed for the days of the old CBC and the former FMAB Mr. LL. Wasn't European, Australian or (white) South African and was definitely not white. I mention the old CBC because LL used to have 1 or 2 days a week in which he worked out an office there and the door remained firmly open. In the new HQ there is a notice outside the offices of Flt. Ops. mgmt stating that unless you have an appointment you are not allowed to speak to the managers - I think it's because they're really really busy umm managing!
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Old 23rd June 2009, 14:38   #18 (permalink)
 
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What you need is people who know what they are doing to hire other people who know what they should be doing. Something not that apparent in the ME.
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Old 23rd June 2009, 18:25   #19 (permalink)
 
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ATSU and LL

I met LL recently. You will be happy to hear that he is going extremely strong and enjoying his retirement. He just pulled a muscle while teaching his daughter the guitar
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Old 23rd June 2009, 22:43   #20 (permalink)
 
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There will be an exodux!!! Good friend interviewed recently with KAL and 6 EK F/O were in his interview group, if that doesn't say the state of affairs at EK then good luck to new joiners!
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