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Old 7th July 2009, 23:01   #41 (permalink)
 
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Sun N Fun

Here we go again. For those of you that might not know I am going to take the opportunity to educate you. Only Europeans, Australians, Kiwis or white South Africans can operate aircraft to a so-called first world standard. If you are not from one of these centres of aviation excellence then you are a monkey and should be paid peanuts.

This is the attitude just below the surface at EK. Some of these superior aviators will happily take the job but then they make pernicious comments about their employers, (non-white) co-workers and passengers.

Let's be clear - Emirates is owned and run by Arabs and a large part of the revenue that the airline earns comes from Indians, Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, Sri Lankans, Nigerians and yes Ghananians. You guys really need to get over yourselves and study history. The "white is right" fight has been fought and lost many times.

Or maybe you are just trying to re-invigorate that part of history in which your ancestors enriched themselves at the expense of what is now known as the third world.

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Old 7th July 2009, 23:11   #42 (permalink)
 
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You forgot the British - God dam you.
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Old 7th July 2009, 23:16   #43 (permalink)
 
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It is a toss up who knew more or less; the crims, or the 'lesser' Nation.
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Old 8th July 2009, 00:02   #44 (permalink)
 
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Oops - I thought I had encompassed the Brits under the European umbrella but so as to avoid even further thread creep - the Brits too!!!!!
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Old 8th July 2009, 00:39   #45 (permalink)
 
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ATSU; chip-on-the-shoulder-alert!!

Ahhh, the message I gleaned from sunNfun was that the terms and conditions at EK would become third-world, not the standards.

By all means, continue to misinterpret (and jump at those shadows) at your leisure.
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Old 8th July 2009, 02:03   #46 (permalink)
 
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Ahhh, the message I gleaned from sunNfun was that the terms and conditions at EK would become third-world, not the standards
Wrong. Only first world paid employees will perform first class service. Pay them 3rd world, U will have 3rd world.
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Old 8th July 2009, 06:42   #47 (permalink)
 
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I read your post and then I re-read SunNFun's and Parabellum's. I woke up the wife to help me with the chip that appeared to be making walk with a limp. Was getting ready to apologise to them both - then H3DXB chimed in and suddenly I wasn't limping anymore.

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Old 8th July 2009, 08:03   #48 (permalink)
 
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ATSU your very accusations make you as guilty of the same "sin" as the other parties you are pointing fingers at. I am one of the nationalities you mention. You don't know me so are hardly qualified to make generalised comments about me or my nationality. Time to jump off the high horse buddy and stick to the original thread.
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Old 8th July 2009, 08:22   #49 (permalink)
 
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Took a long breath before I responded to this.

The original thread dealt with EK reality - well part of the reality is the attitude displayed earlier by some of our colleagues.
If, as you say, you are from the 3rd world and you have no objections to Parabellum's, Ferris' and H3DXB's posts you either didn't read them or you have no objections to being paid less because of your passport.
Wasn't springing to your defense - you make the assumption that I'm not from the 3rd world. WRONG!

"Buddy" (WTF) you're right I don't know you - but clearly you don't know me.

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Old 8th July 2009, 08:37   #50 (permalink)
 
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Chip here, chip there .... the thread is called Emirates reality, so let's have reality work:
The reason guys from one "part" of the world work here in the first place, is because not enough could be found close in or from other "parts". For that reason the renumeration had to be attractive enough to lure them over here. Now that apparently sufficient and apparently adequately qualified guys can be attracted or trained from these other parts, and they even run over to the pit for less money, it is only logical that EK looks that way.
Only time will tell if this works and which chip is closer to the truth.
Simply wait and see.
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Old 8th July 2009, 10:24   #51 (permalink)
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Guys you have made your points, lets leave it there, or the thread gets closed.

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Old 8th July 2009, 11:11   #52 (permalink)
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Old 8th July 2009, 11:44   #53 (permalink)
 
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Emirates reality is that if you want to reduce your Provident fund premiums for a while, your portion drops from 5 to 2,5%, while the companies will drop from 15 (or12) to 7,5%. If you want a payment holiday, you will save your portion, but EK saves all of theirs as well.

And it is painted as helping the employee! Sheesh!

Not that it matters too much, the funds have been performing like an ice cream stand in Red Square in January!
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Old 8th July 2009, 14:19   #54 (permalink)
 
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Or alternatively like an ice-cream cone in Dubai in the summer
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Old 8th July 2009, 15:12   #55 (permalink)
 
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Who would ever want to reduce his contribution? Since when would the company want to do us a favor? Sounds more like they are preparing something.
Get that vaseline ready.
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Old 9th July 2009, 06:08   #56 (permalink)
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I warned you guys to stay on topic, I have deleted irrelevant posts. Do it again at your peril....

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Old 10th July 2009, 08:43   #57 (permalink)
 
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ATSU,

I'm white and apart from my own safety I'm now giving EK third world service.
"Should we climb and save them some fuel,skipper".
"Yeah I guess so but let me just finish the gulf news first and then have a coffee".
"Remind me in an hour or so will you".
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Old 10th July 2009, 08:48   #58 (permalink)
 
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SIUYA,

I'm actually an afl man since childhood but have learnt to love union and league as well.
Anything is better the watching a camel running around in the sand and lazing on the real tailgate of you porsche while your stupid bird flies around in circles over the desert.
However if there was chilled beer then I may even put up with that too if I had to.
Happy landings everyone
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Old 10th July 2009, 11:21   #59 (permalink)
 
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Back to the thread:

Emirates reality = thinking your EK contract and the conditions you agreed to on joining mean something, then finding out nothing is as it seems at EK least of all you contract and the conditions you agreed to on joining!

Beware
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