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Unfortunately touk we will never have the pleasure of flying together so I guess you shouldn't relax too much.
Ib76, if you have any idea how to carry out a fire test on the airbus I would be very surprised.
Ib76, if you have any idea how to carry out a fire test on the airbus I would be very surprised.
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Pushing the test button and observing the indications...it is/was a part of the daily check....I'm full of suprises Chuck-Y
and...apparently the folks did pull an all-nighter..rosters are out!!
and...apparently the folks did pull an all-nighter..rosters are out!!
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Here it goes how's the ENG FIRE test is performed on A320...
ENG 1 – ENG 2 FIRE
· ENG 1 and 2 FIRE pushbuttons.........................CHECK IN and GUARDED
· AGENT 1 and AGENT 2 lights............................................CHECK OUT
· ENG 1 (2) TEST pushbutton.................................................. ..PRESS
Check:
ENG 1 (2) FIRE warning on ECAM + CRC + MASTER WARN light
ENG FIRE pushbutton lighted red
SQUIB and DISCH lights on (this item seems not have been checked)
FIRE light (on ENG panel) on
RMK:
It is pointless to press the master warning light while performing this test, since this is not part of it as per Airbus SOP. Doing this you are basically testing the FWC!
· ENG 1 and 2 FIRE pushbuttons.........................CHECK IN and GUARDED
· AGENT 1 and AGENT 2 lights............................................CHECK OUT
· ENG 1 (2) TEST pushbutton.................................................. ..PRESS
Check:
ENG 1 (2) FIRE warning on ECAM + CRC + MASTER WARN light
ENG FIRE pushbutton lighted red
SQUIB and DISCH lights on (this item seems not have been checked)
FIRE light (on ENG panel) on
RMK:
It is pointless to press the master warning light while performing this test, since this is not part of it as per Airbus SOP. Doing this you are basically testing the FWC!
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The FCOM also states that you check it if it hasn't been checked. If you know the 'daily' was just done, then I guess that counts as the test being done. In any case, checking it every time you board on your first flight never hurts.
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The carrier has 59 planes on order (35 Airbuses and 24 Boeings) as it partially renews its existing fleet of 27 planes and plans to add three planes and three destinations each year until 2013.
In 2009's first half for sure we will have at least 3 ex-MEA A330's. If there is any additional aircraft I believe it can come from Airbus as part of the previous order.
Some A320's would be welcome this year as well!
So we have four years to go that means 12 airplanes and 12 destinations until there and for sure more pilots to join (we have already 40 under selection/training process) and seniority list moving on.
In 2009's first half for sure we will have at least 3 ex-MEA A330's. If there is any additional aircraft I believe it can come from Airbus as part of the previous order.
Some A320's would be welcome this year as well!
So we have four years to go that means 12 airplanes and 12 destinations until there and for sure more pilots to join (we have already 40 under selection/training process) and seniority list moving on.
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Fire test???
SOP ? CM2 ?
Huuuhhh?????
I don’t know who said that in GF , don’t bother reading the SOP, if you wait 2 weeks, it will change any way.
It’s funny how does the topic drift away from it’s intended cause , I do agree however, that fire test and all other pre-flight checks are common sense , be it mentioned in the SOP or not.
SOP ? CM2 ?
Huuuhhh?????
I don’t know who said that in GF , don’t bother reading the SOP, if you wait 2 weeks, it will change any way.
It’s funny how does the topic drift away from it’s intended cause , I do agree however, that fire test and all other pre-flight checks are common sense , be it mentioned in the SOP or not.
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the fire test
and needless to say, it is still performed wrong when its done ( Airbus ).
i.e. Both loops have to be tested...
Meaning while performing the fire test, after you cancel the first warning, one still needs to continue to hold the fire test button for the second loop test...
RTFM gentlemen...
How do you like dem apples ?
i.e. Both loops have to be tested...
Meaning while performing the fire test, after you cancel the first warning, one still needs to continue to hold the fire test button for the second loop test...
RTFM gentlemen...
How do you like dem apples ?
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The Airbus Engine Fire test does not require cancelling the warning as on other types because both loops are checked simultaneously when depressing the Fire Test pushbutton. If you have information to the contary please let us know your source, in fact better still, please advise Airbus so that they can get an AD out rapido.
Now lads, what is the latest on the triple 7 rumour? Any ideas on the all new and improved livery...heard the new uniform is red and white...
The Airbus Engine Fire test does not require cancelling the warning as on other types because both loops are checked simultaneously when depressing the Fire Test pushbutton. If you have information to the contary please let us know your source, in fact better still, please advise Airbus so that they can get an AD out rapido.
Now lads, what is the latest on the triple 7 rumour? Any ideas on the all new and improved livery...heard the new uniform is red and white...
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With the wide variety of discussion topics within this particular thread (and others like it over the past month) including some very nuts & bolts types of topics, it makes me wonder why there isn't a "Gulf Air" forum in the Airline Specific Private Forums section of PPRuNe.
Something to be considered, perhaps?
Something to be considered, perhaps?
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why bother with a 'gulf air' forum? we ain't big or influential enough. this thread will suffice as it's generic.
speaking about growth, why should gf be growing when our neighbours are treading carefully in light of present world circumstances? is gf nuts? you guys seen the drastic drop in loads lately? more ways to bleed more money.
speaking about growth, why should gf be growing when our neighbours are treading carefully in light of present world circumstances? is gf nuts? you guys seen the drastic drop in loads lately? more ways to bleed more money.
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Che
in the 330, you need to keep the fire test pressed, cancel the warning, and check the wx on ecam for eng 2 bcoz one button checks fire wx for both engines..
ergo in a multi fleet it nay be standardised for type viz airbus
Regards
in the 330, you need to keep the fire test pressed, cancel the warning, and check the wx on ecam for eng 2 bcoz one button checks fire wx for both engines..
ergo in a multi fleet it nay be standardised for type viz airbus
Regards
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Thank you for your input, are you sure about what you said though, because FCOM 3.03.06 specifically does not mention cancelling the warning....hmmm, must be Airbus again..
By the way you had us confused with wx......didn't that used to mean weather?
Chao
Thank you for your input, are you sure about what you said though, because FCOM 3.03.06 specifically does not mention cancelling the warning....hmmm, must be Airbus again..
By the way you had us confused with wx......didn't that used to mean weather?
Chao
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Another help on the ENG Fire test...
There are at least two misunderstood concepts regarding engine fire test in the Airbus:
First:
On the A320 series, each engine fire system has its own fire test pushbutton. On the A330/A340 series there is only one engine fire test pushbutton that perform the test simultaneously on all engines.
Second:
Pressing the Master Warning light during the test does not have any effect and it is not part of the procedure at all. There are cases of serious misunderstanding specially on the A340, where pilots and even engineers (!) press the master warning light four times (!) believing that doing this they are “testing all four fire system”.
All this information you can find on the respective FCOM 1 chapter and FCOM 3 SOP.
First:
On the A320 series, each engine fire system has its own fire test pushbutton. On the A330/A340 series there is only one engine fire test pushbutton that perform the test simultaneously on all engines.
Second:
Pressing the Master Warning light during the test does not have any effect and it is not part of the procedure at all. There are cases of serious misunderstanding specially on the A340, where pilots and even engineers (!) press the master warning light four times (!) believing that doing this they are “testing all four fire system”.
All this information you can find on the respective FCOM 1 chapter and FCOM 3 SOP.
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Albergineman, you're right about the FCOM. And since you seem very knowledgeable about procedures, any idea why if you keep pressed the fire warning, the audio and visual warning, in the A340, is repeated 4 times?
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Because you have just tested the entire system 4 times perhaps...
Assuming the FCOM is correct, then all four systems are tested simultaneously when you press the pushbutton just once. Nowhere does it state that you need to cancel the warning and then press again etc. If I am wrong, or indeed Airbus is wrong, perhaps we should have the FCOM amended.
Guys can we move on to the 777 wet lease perhaps..
Assuming the FCOM is correct, then all four systems are tested simultaneously when you press the pushbutton just once. Nowhere does it state that you need to cancel the warning and then press again etc. If I am wrong, or indeed Airbus is wrong, perhaps we should have the FCOM amended.
Guys can we move on to the 777 wet lease perhaps..
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or the kingfisher lease perhaps...
BTW, pressing the Master warning only stops then CRC, as we all know and probablr keeps a quieter cockpit while you chechk the ecam memeo for eng 2(3)(4)
Thanks che, wx corrected in previous post
BTW, pressing the Master warning only stops then CRC, as we all know and probablr keeps a quieter cockpit while you chechk the ecam memeo for eng 2(3)(4)
Thanks che, wx corrected in previous post