A big congratulations to all the F/Os on the 320 fleet for NOT carrying out their pre-flights correctly
Nicely done guys, thank God there were no engine problems on EO for 64 sectors.
Then again maybe it's the training that the guys have recieved that might be leading to the falling GF standards?
I believe the captain is the final responsibility since his signiture is on the logbook...
quoting the Manuals... "The commander shall ensure that all the preflight safety and security inspections have been carried out"... so no need to throw the blame on the FO who does his Transit checks properly which do not require engine fire tests...
Guess you guys need to be trained when a full cockpit preparation has to be done & when it is ok to omit most of checks & just do to transit stop items.
As to commanders responsibility I agree with you but then I also rely of my number 2 to carry out his checks correctly. Maybe I will have to start questioning the guy on my right to make sure he has had good night's sleep, packed his bag himself, has brought his license & passport with him & ,if he going to get "jiggy" with some of the hosties, then has an adequate supply of condoms.
I am glad us inadequatly trained FOs have someone like you who watches out for us... now I can really take it easy and relax on the flight... the more you want to do, the less I have to do... so you are welcome to take care of all the checks if you like... I can just hang out and enjoy the ride... and think about how many condoms I need to pack for my nightstop...
oh wait... I don't need to worry about that too... you will take care of that right chuck?
Unfortunately touk we will never have the pleasure of flying together so I guess you shouldn't relax too much.
Ib76, if you have any idea how to carry out a fire test on the airbus I would be very surprised.
Here it goes how's the ENG FIRE test is performed on A320...
ENG 1 – ENG 2 FIRE
· ENG 1 and 2 FIRE pushbuttons.........................CHECK IN and GUARDED
· AGENT 1 and AGENT 2 lights............................................ CHECK OUT
· ENG 1 (2) TEST pushbutton........................................ ............PRESS
Check:
ENG 1 (2) FIRE warning on ECAM + CRC + MASTER WARN light
ENG FIRE pushbutton lighted red
SQUIB and DISCH lights on (this item seems not have been checked)
FIRE light (on ENG panel) on
RMK:
It is pointless to press the master warning light while performing this test, since this is not part of it as per Airbus SOP. Doing this you are basically testing the FWC!
The FCOM also states that you check it if it hasn't been checked. If you know the 'daily' was just done, then I guess that counts as the test being done. In any case, checking it every time you board on your first flight never hurts.
The carrier has 59 planes on order (35 Airbuses and 24 Boeings) as it partially renews its existing fleet of 27 planes and plans to add three planes and three destinations each year until 2013.
In 2009's first half for sure we will have at least 3 ex-MEA A330's. If there is any additional aircraft I believe it can come from Airbus as part of the previous order.
Some A320's would be welcome this year as well!
So we have four years to go that means 12 airplanes and 12 destinations until there and for sure more pilots to join (we have already 40 under selection/training process) and seniority list moving on.
I don’t know who said that in GF , don’t bother reading the SOP, if you wait 2 weeks, it will change any way.
It’s funny how does the topic drift away from it’s intended cause , I do agree however, that fire test and all other pre-flight checks are common sense , be it mentioned in the SOP or not.
and needless to say, it is still performed wrong when its done ( Airbus ).
i.e. Both loops have to be tested...
Meaning while performing the fire test, after you cancel the first warning, one still needs to continue to hold the fire test button for the second loop test...
The Airbus Engine Fire test does not require cancelling the warning as on other types because both loops are checked simultaneously when depressing the Fire Test pushbutton. If you have information to the contary please let us know your source, in fact better still, please advise Airbus so that they can get an AD out rapido.
Now lads, what is the latest on the triple 7 rumour? Any ideas on the all new and improved livery...heard the new uniform is red and white...
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With the wide variety of discussion topics within this particular thread (and others like it over the past month) including some very nuts & bolts types of topics, it makes me wonder why there isn't a "Gulf Air" forum in the Airline Specific Private Forums section of PPRuNe.
Here it goes how's the ENG FIRE test is performed on A320...
Linear Mode
