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Old 19th Dec 2008, 19:25
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Office duty me thinks.
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Old 19th Dec 2008, 20:10
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Most probably something to do with the command assessment.

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Old 20th Dec 2008, 03:43
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I think it has to do with the fact that:
-the department that Obtains the Visas' for its new recruits is NOT up to the challenge. There for, many(MANY) of the new pilots are stuck without a workVisa(needed to work) whilst they try and figure out what to do.

Now remember, I'm new to this...
Just my 2 pennies of a thought.

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Old 20th Dec 2008, 19:14
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In response to pilots being told during their interview about quick upgrades (1.5 yrs), I had a different experience. I just interviewed a few weeks ago, and was told that moving from the 320 to the 330/340 would be about 1.5 yrs, and that an upgrade (captain position) to the 320 would be around 4 yrs. The captains conducting the interview were also sure to point out that this IS the airline industry, and that things could change... they made it clear that those time lines could very easily change, and not to take it as set in stone.

I'm from the US, so my definition of an "upgrade" is a Captain, or PIC position, not moving to a shinier jet, so I may have misinterpreted the original post.
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GF Engine fire before take off

Here's what made the press this morning! Well handled?

Passengers on board a Bahrain-bound Gulf Air flight from Mumbai had a providential escape last night after one of the aircraft's engines caught fire moments before take-off.

An air traffic control official (ATC) at Mumbai's Chhatrapati Shivaji International Airport said the fire was noticed 'just seconds' before Flight GD 065 was to go on 'full power' after being lined-up for take off.
"The aircraft had taxied for a few minutes and was awaiting ATC clearance to take off when the fire was noticed," the official, who did not wish to be named, told the GDN from Mumbai.

"Emergency services were alerted and the fire was put out immediately.
"The take-off was aborted and the plane came back for a complete check."
He said about half a dozen incoming and outgoing flights were affected.
A Gulf Air official in Mumbai said there was a "delay in departure' but would not elaborate.

"We are trying to ensure that all the 124 passengers are taken care of."
A Bahrain International Airport official confirmed there had 'been a problem' with a Gulf Air flight in Mumbai. "It is not arriving anytime soon and we do not know when it will."

The flight was scheduled to land in Bahrain at 6.50 pm.
Fred Governo, a Bahrain-based British businessman, who was on board, said there was complete chaos at the airport when the take-off was aborted. "The passengers also panicked for a while, but were later informed there had been a problem with the take-off."


Source: GDN

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Old 21st Dec 2008, 16:00
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'just seconds' before Flight GD 065 was to go on 'full power'
You have to admire the prose.
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Old 21st Dec 2008, 19:13
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Work rules

I have an ops question. It sounds naive, even to me. BUT, What are the work rules/duty limits ect etc at Gulf Air ? What does your flight operations manual use for things like 30hrs in 7 days, 8hrs per day etc etc. Any references to read for this ? Is there an equivelant to our FAR's.

Thankssssssssss
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Old 22nd Dec 2008, 03:21
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Along the lines of Cap371
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Old 22nd Dec 2008, 05:59
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I fatigued reading that. Are you permitted an attorney as part of your salary package ?


Am I correct in stating these few basics:

MAX-
55hrs in 7 days
95hrs in 14 days
100hrs in 28 days
900hrs in 12 months

Except night, whereas-

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Old 22nd Dec 2008, 10:03
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If you're fatiqued reading it try doing it (or GFs version of it). If you find you tire easily or are concerned by fatique issues then GF isn't the place for you. 2 things are certain, you WILL be fatiqued ALOT and it will mainly be CAVOK (which helps).
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Old 22nd Dec 2008, 10:07
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4 years to command eh!!!! I wonder how they calculate that. If there are no retirement the fleet essentially has to double for you to see a command. Now there will be retirements and attrition but how much.

Without a public fleet plan with concrete numbers I think this would be a bit optimistic.
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Old 22nd Dec 2008, 12:05
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I wonder how they calculate that
Well it is posible with the current command upgrade program, the expansion plans and natrual attrition as you mentioned, however like most airlines, never bank on it till it happens.
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Old 22nd Dec 2008, 16:43
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Quit calling me Shirley

But seriously, are those basics about right ?

You guys fly more than 8hrs a day on/in 320 turns ?
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Old 22nd Dec 2008, 17:13
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Some blocks are more than 8hrs..Kolkata turn comes to mind..but bear in mind unlike the FAA, our rest is based equal to the previous duty period, or 12hrs..whichever is higher, and the limit is based on the number of sectors, and the reporting time
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hang on hang on hang on!!!!
only two posts regarding the engine fire out of mumbai?

once again, a reflection of gfs INFAMOUS ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT!!!
a most inept and lazy bunch of engineers i've ever seen!!
the king of MDDs!!
the infector of good aircrafts.

and the idiots who purchased these aircrafts should not be let off the hook. whoever they were should be sacked.

BEFORE SOMEONE GETS HURT, OR WORSE, KILLED!!!!!!

please, don't whitewash what is a clear and present danger in gf.
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Hi guys,

Anyone heard that GF will be taking the busted XL frames from TLS with the help of ILFC? Also, which aircraft was involved in the Mumbai incident - my money goes to ES or ET :P
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It was ES, and it had nothing to do with our engineering dept..high pressure turbine failure...
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Old 24th Dec 2008, 10:02
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Out of four XL A330s two went to Mexicana, one is intended for Hi Fly from Portugal and one is intended for GF.

Are there any news concerning the Jet Airways leases and how many? Situation still unclear?

Rgds Stefan
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Old 24th Dec 2008, 12:34
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Hi Stefan,

They leased 2 A330's (RR) VT-JWD and JWE for 6 months initially then see how things go. Any idea about the MSN for the XL frame ?
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Old 24th Dec 2008, 14:17
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HPT failure in Mumbai

It was ES, and it had nothing to do with our engineering dept..high pressure turbine failure
Is there any more information on the apparent HPT failure? Was a full EVAC carried out as a result?
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