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ok then who is issuing these orders? seems to me like usual everyone say just folling orders well who? i would assume Majali is just saying get it done, therefore someone is operations is spearheading this whole thing. my point being operations chooses who gets transfered where and by what policy. and this is a prime example of how they view us.
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where the hell is the pilot support amidst all this crap?
1. no word from the chief pilot. all fleet office correspondence has only been by dfo capt falamarzi.
2. no word from fleet capts dhaffer and the most useless of all, fleet capt nader al shehab. obviously looking out for their own positions.
3. ftoc pilots ali al binali, saeed darya, frank whitehouse, spyros panousos, nothing but a toothless useless dog, at least a real dog barks. this one doesn't bark, doesn't bite, doesn't even yelp. useless group!
4. the silence from the above says one thing.....bend over pilots. let them have their way again and again and again and again.
1. no word from the chief pilot. all fleet office correspondence has only been by dfo capt falamarzi.
2. no word from fleet capts dhaffer and the most useless of all, fleet capt nader al shehab. obviously looking out for their own positions.
3. ftoc pilots ali al binali, saeed darya, frank whitehouse, spyros panousos, nothing but a toothless useless dog, at least a real dog barks. this one doesn't bark, doesn't bite, doesn't even yelp. useless group!
4. the silence from the above says one thing.....bend over pilots. let them have their way again and again and again and again.
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Guys
Lets have a reality check;
Gulf air is a business, not a well fare venture.
CEO’S are about numbers, numbers of aeroplanes, numbers of pilots, and numbers of hours to be flown.
Numbers about yield, numbers about expenditure.
Businesses are NOT about pilot support and pilot well fare.
Sure, CEO’S do talk about employees well being and all but, that’s all what it is, talk.
The fleet office is doing what they are told to do, which is exactly what we as pilots do, we are told to fly from A to B, we do it, in the best way we know how to.
Gulf air now is about shrinking, cutting cost, not expanding. How would we do it if we were in their shoes?
It is un fortunate, people do loose their jobs, lives get missed about, lots of crap fly around, but life goes on.
It becomes the individual responsibility to take care of his own well fare, not the institutions.
We have seen it happen all over the world before, the only deference is that there, they have unions. Personally I have never worked in an environment of unions before, some say it’s good, some say it’s bad.
I believe that it is up to each individual to take care of his own good. If it does not work in your best interest, go some where else, every one is hiring around , it’s painful, frustrating , even un fair but, hey, who said that life is fair any way?
If I sound pragmatic, it’s because I am, romanticism has never put bread on the table for my kids.
One last note, when a similar thing happened in Jordan years ago, at some stage , Majali had to raise pilots salaries by 93% overnight, he lost more pilots than he thought he would! I’m not saying this is going to happen again but, hey, if there are no pilots to fly whatever equipment he offers, what do you think is going to happen?
I did not intend to offend any one in my post, all what I am trying to do is : a reality check.
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o tottally agree ceo's are not talking all about us and they should not be worried. my concerns are on how the operations have implemented their objectives. facts are that we are changing yes and there will be pain but, the way operations implements the new strategy is more important to ME. be realistic ceo is not telling operation to threaten pilots and move them around like slaves with no real concerns. this whole Embraer adventure has been tough but handled with more CARE and CONCERN minimal damage could have been done! most people i chat with are accepting that we need to do something. my whole issue is yet again fleet office and adove have taken the stance that we will decide with no imput or even options from anyone else, and i do not mean on type of aircraft i mean how it is all done. guys lets be honest some would leave anyways but why push even more out for no good reason???? and some of there leaving will be bahraini!!!!!
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On a more positive note, Mr. Majali has updated "Hello Gulf Air" after not having done so since mid-October. Hopefully we will be reading from him on a more regular basis.
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Well said guys by most of you. I just wanted to comment on Brassplate way of saying things. Talking so imaturely about those 4 colegues of yours is really showing who is the dog here. But let me refrase because a dog is loyal and a good friend. You probably look like something that crawls on the ground. But even that comparison I think is intimidating for the pour animal.
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the reason why people dont like this idea is because we have been traumatized by every "restructure program" and they never work.. every new CEO fires a couple of CEO and resigns.... its been happening for a loong time
the reason why people dont like this idea is because we have been traumatized by every "restructure program" and they never work.. every new CEO fires a couple of CEO and resigns.... its been happening for a loong time
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in this business, chivalry is dead, you idiot. nothing is certain nowadays, but our futures, careers, wellbeing, dependants, finances, all depend on it.
why are these management pilots there in the first place? to earn a lot of money by shafting us, or to lead by example and to communicate to us company directions and strategies from up top?
why was ftoc created? why? to be models there and do nothing? just a feel good outfit coined by management to make us 'feel' like we have a voice when in reality, we ain't ****?
loyalty? gf does not know anything about it, non what so ever!!! yet, they demand it!!! is it too much to get information from these pricks so we can make informed decisions about our lives?
if gf thinks that simply paying us is all they need to do, then it really shows their mentality toward this profession, reducing it to the same level as their girlfriends at seashells.
looking for a new pile of cheese.
to PanamaJack.
in this business, chivalry is dead, you idiot. nothing is certain nowadays, but our futures, careers, wellbeing, dependants, finances, all depend on it.
why are these management pilots there in the first place? to earn a lot of money by shafting us, or to lead by example and to communicate to us company directions and strategies from up top?
why was ftoc created? why? to be models there and do nothing? just a feel good outfit coined by management to make us 'feel' like we have a voice when in reality, we ain't ****?
loyalty? gf does not know anything about it, non what so ever!!! yet, they demand it!!! is it too much to get information from these pricks so we can make informed decisions about our lives?
if gf thinks that simply paying us is all they need to do, then it really shows their mentality toward this profession, reducing it to the same level as their girlfriends at seashells.
looking for a new pile of cheese.
to PanamaJack.
For the rest of us, Who Moved My Cheese by Dr. Johnson is some good, one hour reading material to help guide through these types of crisis. 
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Thanks brassplate.
I think that the FTOC was a noble and well-intentioned move by the former VP Flight Ops (CC) shortly after he arrived. Unfortunately, it was somewhat still-born with only half-hearted commitment by the Company.
I feel it is unfair to hold the volunteer members of the FTOC responsible for these situations. Let me emphasize, they are volunteers. The guys who I know have their heart in the right place and were willing to step up and have their names put on the ballot. Unfortunately, their influence is limited by the goodwill of the Company and from my past conversations with a few of them, meetings with the Company are largely agendas of the Company wanting to talk about its concerns and get their ideas on how to get the rest of the pilots to buy into it, or a discussion with the scope being limited to "how to save money" for the Company.
The real culprit, as I see it, is a failure of the finer art of organization throughout the spectrum of the Gulf Air organization:
1) Top Management has been unable to paint a clear picture and get buy-in on the strategy from it's employees;
2) Middle Management has been unable to communicate effectively, deal with the staff it is charged with as professionals or anything more than pawns on a chess board, and organize the march ahead without creating significant morale issues and creating a surge in resignations;
3) GATU is unable to organize much more than a weekend desert picnic, if that; and
4) Despite unions being legal in Bahrain, pilots, mechanics, flight attendants or any other specialized group is unwilling or unable to organize themselves.
Not exactly anarchy; I am sure that there is some word to describe this type of malaise but I am not sure what it is. In any case, all parties got out of it what they put into it.
My hope is that the situation will approve in the months ahead but, even if it does, it begs the question of how we got ourselves into this mess in the first place.
I think that the FTOC was a noble and well-intentioned move by the former VP Flight Ops (CC) shortly after he arrived. Unfortunately, it was somewhat still-born with only half-hearted commitment by the Company.
I feel it is unfair to hold the volunteer members of the FTOC responsible for these situations. Let me emphasize, they are volunteers. The guys who I know have their heart in the right place and were willing to step up and have their names put on the ballot. Unfortunately, their influence is limited by the goodwill of the Company and from my past conversations with a few of them, meetings with the Company are largely agendas of the Company wanting to talk about its concerns and get their ideas on how to get the rest of the pilots to buy into it, or a discussion with the scope being limited to "how to save money" for the Company.
The real culprit, as I see it, is a failure of the finer art of organization throughout the spectrum of the Gulf Air organization:
1) Top Management has been unable to paint a clear picture and get buy-in on the strategy from it's employees;
2) Middle Management has been unable to communicate effectively, deal with the staff it is charged with as professionals or anything more than pawns on a chess board, and organize the march ahead without creating significant morale issues and creating a surge in resignations;
3) GATU is unable to organize much more than a weekend desert picnic, if that; and
4) Despite unions being legal in Bahrain, pilots, mechanics, flight attendants or any other specialized group is unwilling or unable to organize themselves.
Not exactly anarchy; I am sure that there is some word to describe this type of malaise but I am not sure what it is. In any case, all parties got out of it what they put into it.
My hope is that the situation will approve in the months ahead but, even if it does, it begs the question of how we got ourselves into this mess in the first place.
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i can sum it up in a word....proactiveness. in our case, the lack of it. any one of the aforementioned could have sought the required information by simply writing to someone or talking to someone. even information such as 'no information was forthcoming' would have sufficed.
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A little off topic but nice article here:
ALPA safety chief says basic flying skills are eroding
It's good to see that pilots are starting to look more and more like a bunch of disposable monkeys that majali's can f*&% around with all they want.
Therefore next time you disconnect (If the book and the man beside you allows you to I should say), think carefully, do you still know how to fly the machine? Hehe thx airbus for slowly mutating us into a bunch of useless monkeys
ALPA safety chief says basic flying skills are eroding
It's good to see that pilots are starting to look more and more like a bunch of disposable monkeys that majali's can f*&% around with all they want.
Therefore next time you disconnect (If the book and the man beside you allows you to I should say), think carefully, do you still know how to fly the machine? Hehe thx airbus for slowly mutating us into a bunch of useless monkeys
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Brassplate,
Nader Al Shehab cannot read or write & is speechless & spineless in a corner. Do not expect any involvement there.
Others a litle more articulate but no courage.
This is a no brainer, no hoper. Those who can get out , do so quickly.
Nader Al Shehab cannot read or write & is speechless & spineless in a corner. Do not expect any involvement there.
Others a litle more articulate but no courage.
This is a no brainer, no hoper. Those who can get out , do so quickly.
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Off topic, but very relevant for us right now, even more so with the recent influx of ....'cadets'.
I never seen hands move so fast to get the autopilot on after takeoff, if you blink you've missed it.
Great discussion on topic in Rumours:
http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/3...ys-airbus.html
My greatest concern with these electric jets is that when you run out of redundancy and the autopilot is no longer able to keep up, it turns around and says, 'you have control' to the very pilots who's skills have been steadily eroded over time, and in a worse case scenario, skills that perhaps were never there in the first place.
Welcome to Aviation 2010!
I never seen hands move so fast to get the autopilot on after takeoff, if you blink you've missed it.
Great discussion on topic in Rumours:
http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/3...ys-airbus.html
My greatest concern with these electric jets is that when you run out of redundancy and the autopilot is no longer able to keep up, it turns around and says, 'you have control' to the very pilots who's skills have been steadily eroded over time, and in a worse case scenario, skills that perhaps were never there in the first place.
Welcome to Aviation 2010!