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Yeah the latest news is that the new British managment peice of s#^! Capt.Ward-en says that our hotels are too good for us and we must settle for much less...
were do they get these guys.. this is what we get when they start hiring ex charter airline guys with no REAL national airline experience.. does BA, KLM, SIA stay in 3 star hotels.. but that what this rocket scientist is trying to pass.. I guess he's got to account for his big pay package and 7 series company ride
he will get his in the end just like all the rest before him. he's only fooling himself if he thinks otherwise.
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Krunch
were do they get these guys.. this is what we get when they start hiring ex charter airline guys with no REAL national airline experience.. does BA, KLM, SIA stay in 3 star hotels.. but that what this rocket scientist is trying to pass.. I guess he's got to account for his big pay package and 7 series company ride
he will get his in the end just like all the rest before him. he's only fooling himself if he thinks otherwise.
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One think that is too good for sure is the salary of this guy, and should be settle down immediatly... not the hotel we stay!
Does this guy wants more pilots to resign and put the company down and ground the aircraft...?
Does this guy wants more pilots to resign and put the company down and ground the aircraft...?
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Indeed....
History keeps repeating and repeating again in Qr.....unfortunatly!
Same for our roster mafia gang....They are ruining the airline slowly but surely like a cancer;excpecially on 320:tiring&unsafe&unfair roster, continious change,days off cancelled without asking or advising crew,crew disturbed during rest time, crew called oustide stby time..ENOUGH is ENOUGH !!
Please MR AAB give all those guys ASAP a CONFIRMED ONE WAY ticket back to home for the benefit of the company!We don't need that Sh.
anymore here.
Thanks!
History keeps repeating and repeating again in Qr.....unfortunatly!
Same for our roster mafia gang....They are ruining the airline slowly but surely like a cancer;excpecially on 320:tiring&unsafe&unfair roster, continious change,days off cancelled without asking or advising crew,crew disturbed during rest time, crew called oustide stby time..ENOUGH is ENOUGH !!
Please MR AAB give all those guys ASAP a CONFIRMED ONE WAY ticket back to home for the benefit of the company!We don't need that Sh.
anymore here.Thanks!
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true
I asked Mr P.M and answer is yes "O" rials for off day down route he told me sir "its for legality only "
and 1 more bad news a lot of DH flights which also are not included in pay slip.
C.T issued memo stating that QA take full responibility for any diversion to alternate airport but forgot to mention that pilots dont get pay for flying to alternate so why to divert ? better take extra fuel .
News is also that you can be alocated for flight on youre OFF days and its up to you to talk to rostering and tell if you want to do it or not . Before use to be that they aske you for it .
B.W dont need hotel he has 5 star service with BMW and villa and 140 k provided by airline so we can move into 3 star hotels .
R.P might be given CRM position after P. M will be escorted by security from Tech building like his prvious boss Mr C.C
and 1 more bad news a lot of DH flights which also are not included in pay slip.
C.T issued memo stating that QA take full responibility for any diversion to alternate airport but forgot to mention that pilots dont get pay for flying to alternate so why to divert ? better take extra fuel .
News is also that you can be alocated for flight on youre OFF days and its up to you to talk to rostering and tell if you want to do it or not . Before use to be that they aske you for it .
B.W dont need hotel he has 5 star service with BMW and villa and 140 k provided by airline so we can move into 3 star hotels .
R.P might be given CRM position after P. M will be escorted by security from Tech building like his prvious boss Mr C.C
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-I don't really care who is taking or not the responsability for diversion..
I always take extra fuel simply because when we are death tired, and you have two somnolent pilots in the cockpit when approaching our destination, (due to Sh.. roster)the last think i want to do in such a circumstance is to divert,and put extra work load on ourself,simply because i didn't take a couple of hundred kg of extra fuel.
Safety first,Economy after.
-So now i presume all the long layover we have are gone be Days off downroute(as it appears already on my roster) as they don't have to pay us anymore, and they can use it for legality,to make us flying more!
Well ,That's probably part of what they dare to call here: the improvment of the roster system!!Another insult in the face of the crew!
I always take extra fuel simply because when we are death tired, and you have two somnolent pilots in the cockpit when approaching our destination, (due to Sh.. roster)the last think i want to do in such a circumstance is to divert,and put extra work load on ourself,simply because i didn't take a couple of hundred kg of extra fuel.
Safety first,Economy after.
-So now i presume all the long layover we have are gone be Days off downroute(as it appears already on my roster) as they don't have to pay us anymore, and they can use it for legality,to make us flying more!
Well ,That's probably part of what they dare to call here: the improvment of the roster system!!Another insult in the face of the crew!
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Just remember Boys, no matter what they tell you:
You NEED 7 days off in your homebase per month...Being DAWHAAH
You need two consecutive days off every two weeks, in DAWHAAH
All the rest they can give you days off in outstation.
But please, we should all insist on point 1 and 2, it makes it much more difficult for them to shedule days off elsewhere!
3 ASRs and 1 PVR so far have been filed regarding the dangerous sheduling practices on A320. WE NEED MORE!
Whats the use of all this whining on this forum, when so few of us have the actual guts to do something about it?
You NEED 7 days off in your homebase per month...Being DAWHAAH
You need two consecutive days off every two weeks, in DAWHAAH
All the rest they can give you days off in outstation.
But please, we should all insist on point 1 and 2, it makes it much more difficult for them to shedule days off elsewhere!
3 ASRs and 1 PVR so far have been filed regarding the dangerous sheduling practices on A320. WE NEED MORE!
Whats the use of all this whining on this forum, when so few of us have the actual guts to do something about it?
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sorry guys but i dont know what u are talking about there was never a pay for days off outstation ,what i know i have been in qr six years is that u get a min of 7 days in doha ( legally) and sometimes they give u days off outstation to legalize u for another flight .the only time u get paid is that when u they take ur off day in doha its 1.5 times ur basic salary per day(around 1000 for captain and 700 for fo ).and the other case is when ur rostered for an off day outstation and the company makes u work or roster changes then u get 50% of the off day in doha 
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Wrong Scorpio...
-Day off down the route paid(well now i should say"used to be paid"
) :0.5/30 of your basic.(nothing to do with being called or not for duty).
-Day off "cancelled" or postponed in Doha: 1.5/30 of your basic.
-Day off down the route paid(well now i should say"used to be paid"
) :0.5/30 of your basic.(nothing to do with being called or not for duty).-Day off "cancelled" or postponed in Doha: 1.5/30 of your basic.
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well, well
Clostermann,
I'd like to know were ( other than your own contract, which by the way is not worth the paper it is written on ) does it say you MUST have 7 days off at your home base. I can assure you it is not there.
Scorpio,
I've been here longer than you ( not that it matter at all in this company ) but you are completely incorrect. Loc22550 discription is much closer to the actual truth.
although the company is advancing and growing in size and reputaion, the fact remains that our treatment and lifestyle are quickly going in the opposite direction. funny thing is that QA always lands on it's feet, everytime we are short on pilots there is some outfit going out of business. this latest Air XL, Zoom and the rest have helped once again as Varig did a few years ago, and this Boeing strike was a god send for the training departments as it gives them sometime to catch up. Houston being delayed is just another example of luck on their side.
as K. Loud said, Ward-en will get his shortly as they all have before him, but the damage will be done as he moves on to greener pastures to crap in.
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Krunch
Clostermann,
I'd like to know were ( other than your own contract, which by the way is not worth the paper it is written on ) does it say you MUST have 7 days off at your home base. I can assure you it is not there.
Scorpio,
I've been here longer than you ( not that it matter at all in this company ) but you are completely incorrect. Loc22550 discription is much closer to the actual truth.
although the company is advancing and growing in size and reputaion, the fact remains that our treatment and lifestyle are quickly going in the opposite direction. funny thing is that QA always lands on it's feet, everytime we are short on pilots there is some outfit going out of business. this latest Air XL, Zoom and the rest have helped once again as Varig did a few years ago, and this Boeing strike was a god send for the training departments as it gives them sometime to catch up. Houston being delayed is just another example of luck on their side.
as K. Loud said, Ward-en will get his shortly as they all have before him, but the damage will be done as he moves on to greener pastures to crap in.
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Capt Krunch,
I have been here longer than you have, I am sure( not that it matters much overhere as you said, but hey, just like you I like to say it anyway).
I can not tell you where exactly it is written (Its late, I did have one GT too many and I can not be bothered to look it up), besides on a rather old ACN that I have from 2003.
In any case, in all those years I never had a roster without 7 days at my homebase. Once or twice they tried to deviate from this rule but a single phonecall quickly settled that problem!
I have been here longer than you have, I am sure( not that it matters much overhere as you said, but hey, just like you I like to say it anyway).
I can not tell you where exactly it is written (Its late, I did have one GT too many and I can not be bothered to look it up), besides on a rather old ACN that I have from 2003.
In any case, in all those years I never had a roster without 7 days at my homebase. Once or twice they tried to deviate from this rule but a single phonecall quickly settled that problem!
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By the time the CEO will see through B.W. and I.M. it will be too late, the damage will be done to our life style, pay and stability of the flight ops.
Lesson learnt from the history of QA: like all the previously fired managers, B.W. and I.M. will leave too –sooner or latter- but the damage will not be reversed, crew will still stay in 3 stars hotels, no pay for the days off, unfair & unsafe roster…etc.
Remember the ex-manager from Singapore? He cancelled the 320 pilots allowance of QR1500, he cancelled the Duty Time pay, (yes we were paid for STBY duty like any respectable airline), he extended the STBY from 6 hrs to 12 hrs (since it is free of charge).
When this Singaporean guy was fired….all that damage remaines in effect till today!!
Lesson learnt from the history of QA: like all the previously fired managers, B.W. and I.M. will leave too –sooner or latter- but the damage will not be reversed, crew will still stay in 3 stars hotels, no pay for the days off, unfair & unsafe roster…etc.
Remember the ex-manager from Singapore? He cancelled the 320 pilots allowance of QR1500, he cancelled the Duty Time pay, (yes we were paid for STBY duty like any respectable airline), he extended the STBY from 6 hrs to 12 hrs (since it is free of charge).
When this Singaporean guy was fired….all that damage remaines in effect till today!!
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I was in QR when the MdeV went through the place like a dose of salts. Not only did he implement what A330 man mentioned in his previous post, he also brought FO upgrades to almost a standstill as hiring DEC's was cheaper.
The fool Al Baker is repeating his mistakes not learning from them. What a very stupid man!
The fool Al Baker is repeating his mistakes not learning from them. What a very stupid man!
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They NEVER realised here that the pail has a big hole in the bottom and is leaking dangerously,instead they just try continuously to fill it up without solving the real problem!What a waste of time and energy..and money!
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Guys, where are you all leaving to? The demand for pilot is drying up and very soon MidEast may be the only option left. Hate to say it but management(EK/EY/QR)have us all by le ballon,they are experts and looking months in advance and im sure know pilots will be queuing for jobs. No point complaining any more,next six months will be interesting.
posted in EY post,
'Has anyone considered that expansion and orders may slow down with the reduced passenger loads that must be on the horizon? Even mideast airlines will not fly half empty planes no? Economic down turn in the high traffic areas(India, Europe etc) mean less load, surely this means a freeze in expansion for now at least. This will directly affect your upgrade predictions, no expansion= aircraft crew numbers correct which in turn = no more upgrade. If this is the case, watch out for a 2-3 year freeze. The economic mess just hit us within the last month,it will take a few months for the airline anaysts to see pax loads down,for example early 09. At that point I wouldnt be surprised to see a slow down or pause in expansion for EK/EY/QR,in which case upgrades and movement will cease. If the FOs upset,so what...no ones hiring.Dream situation for management of these airlines,finally they have a low worldwide demand for pilots. Soon to be in the era of being grateful for a job rather than worrying which seat youre in. Just a thought,surprised it not been brought up yet.'
posted in EY post,
'Has anyone considered that expansion and orders may slow down with the reduced passenger loads that must be on the horizon? Even mideast airlines will not fly half empty planes no? Economic down turn in the high traffic areas(India, Europe etc) mean less load, surely this means a freeze in expansion for now at least. This will directly affect your upgrade predictions, no expansion= aircraft crew numbers correct which in turn = no more upgrade. If this is the case, watch out for a 2-3 year freeze. The economic mess just hit us within the last month,it will take a few months for the airline anaysts to see pax loads down,for example early 09. At that point I wouldnt be surprised to see a slow down or pause in expansion for EK/EY/QR,in which case upgrades and movement will cease. If the FOs upset,so what...no ones hiring.Dream situation for management of these airlines,finally they have a low worldwide demand for pilots. Soon to be in the era of being grateful for a job rather than worrying which seat youre in. Just a thought,surprised it not been brought up yet.'