It would appear that a Gulf Air tender for a joint venturship in a new training centre has been awarded to Oxford Aviation for a sum of 3.1 mil BHD (USD 8.4 mil).
....sources close to Oxford Aviation say that the initial tranche of funds is an anonymous donation from a UAE bank account in the amount of 111,000 dirhams. The originator of the funds idenfies himself as "Mazal Tov!".
Show me the Joint part of the Venture....we expect to be out of GF...as non employees....seems a bit lop sided to be Joint? Amost a sellout.... any winners in this deal wont be current employes... cv dusting is on the todo list!!!
As for the question regarding the utilization of the simulators... B767 Nada Presently for Obvious reasons....odd bit here and there ... A330/A340 8-12 per day infrequently more A320 16-20 hours per day with a few days per week 24/7 so its busy
Yes, MPL is the goal or one of the goals atleast...
The point however was the current Staff and how they will be treated after the JV. All pointers indicate the Staff will no longer be GF Employees and a concern for some.
Instead of housing idle simulators, could they not create experience 'flights' to sell to the general public as an attraction or host corporate events at the sim centre? At best, it would be another revenue stream for the company. I hate the thought of idle sims!
Well Boys firstly, the cart is in front of the horse here ...on this subject, no JV has been awarded to anyone yet...what is on the top of this thread is not what the assumption says it is. we have to wait to see what company is selected as the partner, if any, before going any further down this road! Can be 1 of 4 scenarios Not Just Oxford.
Maybe this explains what the recent partnership might be about? Here's part of the slideshow that GF's VP of training gave at a recent MPL forum hosted in Jordan.
The full slide is available as a PDF for download from this URL:
Simsrus, I am slightly confused, you seemed to be contributing to putting the cart in front of the horses in your previous post:
Show me the Joint part of the Venture....we expect to be out of GF...as non employees....seems a bit lop sided to be Joint? Amost a sellout.... any winners in this deal wont be current employes... cv dusting is on the todo list!!! 27th September 2008 18:07
My position was really to say that Oxford is not the chosen entity at this stage...thats all, and as for the rest....as an employee we DO Know we will not be part of GF in the End....fact Not Rumour...and the MPL Aspirations were there prior to JV Talk... but thanks for the Slide Cheers mate!
Rumour has it that there was a late bid from a company called Mena Air or similar...anybody ever heard of them? Are they the ones with 1 exec jet at the airport and oh so much experience in running simulator training organisations etc.? Or is this the sindicate made up of ......? Oh well, you know what I mean.... As Sarah Palin would probably say "Folks, we need a change" , yes indeed we do, if Gulf Air or Bahain want to establish themsleves as an 'internationally' recognised training centre or indeed the recently announced 'internationally recognised aircraft maintenance centre', then they must also realise that they must change the way they do business. The cheap option is usually the worst...furthermore doing MPLs based in a questionable flying school is unlikely to attract many outside the Middle East. Finally, my point is....lets hope that a joint venture (if there is going to be one) is with someone credible like Oxford or CAE. Well, that is my humble opinion for what it's worth.
Oxford is not the chosen entity at this stage...thats all
If that's true, it doesn't explain why Mumtalakat would release Oxford Aviation Academy as the winning bidder to the press? (see original post on this thread)
I understand the need to have an accredited (or recognizable) partner for a training programme, and certainly Oxford/CAE etc provide some 'cachet' with their names. I don't quite get why it needs to be a JV and therefore a new (separate) company.
Why not buy in/license the expertise from such companies, while retaining it as a GF property? Why not pick the best element from these companies and make the GF Training centre stand out on it's own.
With GF announcing a $50 million hangar facility, $8 mill seems cheap to pick up the training center. How about pumping money into the training centre directly (new sims, new cabin trainers, professional training programs) rather than give half away?
I'm sure someones pockets are getting lined from all the wheeling and dealing going on, where are those nosy MP's when you need them!
Che, you referred to doing MPL based in a questionable flying school. I presume this isn't Oxford you are referring to but one based in the middle east all ready?
any winners in this deal wont be current employes... cv dusting is on the todo list!!!
Can be 1 of 4 scenarios Not Just Oxford.
any winners in this deal wont be current employes... cv dusting is on the todo list!!! 27th September 2008 18:07
, yes indeed we do, if Gulf Air or Bahain want to establish themsleves as an 'internationally' recognised training centre or indeed the recently announced 'internationally recognised aircraft maintenance centre', then they must also realise that they must change the way they do business. The cheap option is usually the worst...furthermore doing MPLs based in a questionable flying school is unlikely to attract many outside the Middle East.
