I just got the information that EK has stopped all FOand DEC recruitment for the time being. However company politics and political pressure is pushing for American pilots to be recruited.This is apparently happening behind the scenes and American Pilots are being invited for interviews.
"However company politics and political pressure is pushing for American pilots to be recruited"
Sounds a bit like rubbish to me. Last I heard they were trying to cut down the amount of Americans coming due to more than a couple of " training issues"
The stop is not surprising considering the delays of some T7s. Additionally EK seems to sell their two A310s and these crews will reinforce the other ranks. So it's probably only temporary. This could give them some time to get the recruitment up to quality again. Training issues revealed their somewhat desperate "if it can walk and talk, we'll take it" mentality.
You mean 3 A310's!! Yup, they are on there way somewhere else. Drivers to be redeployed on the Boeing and Airbus FBW, commands delayed for the 310 f/o's who in some cases were 2 days away from starting their upgrade Anyhow, if they miss the freight runs, the 777 freighters will starts arriving in the 1st quarter 2009
Those that were involved in the training issues know their background ( experience ) and nationality, its not a secret. Some did the max extra( flts and sims) and just made it through , they should feel very lucky to be here. For those thinking of EK, it is not train to standard. Its make the grade or go packing. LIFUS is only 10 sectors( 5 trips) and then a line check, lots of home work required.
"However company politics and political pressure is pushing for American pilots to be recruited"
sounds like bulls++t to me as well..the last I heard from a Insider that the training dept have been a hard time training this american guys that have recently come in...
ek training dept is trying to cut down on the american intake if they can!!!
Alright guys, sounds to me like you guys are insinuating that some countries produce better pilots than others. Now that is b#!@t.
I don't think this is an American issue, this is an experience and background issue. As we all know, a little while ago EK was not recieving enough applicants so they lowered requirements a bit. What is happenning is a direct result of that decision.
Due to the state of the industry in the US, the applicants on file now are alot more experience so there should not be any more issues with training.
Don't be affraid boys, the Americans are comming whether you like it or not. Its just a matter of numbers and the US is where the numbers are.
These guys may have low experience of worldwide ops for sure, nothing to do with nationality. Many others have struggled before, many will in the future.
Maybe the Americans are coming as you say, but don't expect them all to stay long or some to come at all. Many of these guys have never flown out of the US and some even themselves have never left the US mainland ever! So what makes you so sure they're going to love our lovely dubai way of life...?
And no particular country produce great pilots, some might just be lucky and worked where is a good standard of training.
No one's saying "Americans can't fly" (!!), but quite a few, particularly in training, (and even moreso, among the ranks of the hapless Effohs), will tell you that more than a few Americans who've come to the Sandpit are unwilling to fly (perhaps 'operate' would be the better word) the (some would say 'unique') way EK wants them to.
Shoot the messsenger if you like, but to paraphrase our US cousins: "dem's da facts, bro."
Times have changed. They will come and they will stay, for the same reason that the canucks, brits, ausies, kiwis, brazilis, etc did......NOT MANY QUALITY CHOICES LEFT BACK HOME.
I'm sorry I cannot comment on the second part of your statement because I don't get what you were trying to say. If its worth it, pls. elaborate.
Re recruitment inhumane department are probably busy cooking up some shonky deal for Fly Dubai, ie carrot dangling entry into EK, but no promises mind.
Re the yanks they come from a culture of practicality in flying, and probably find EKs cadet style mentality a bit different to say the least.
I stand corrected having just viewed the Fly Dubai package.
The Fly Dubai guys will be able to fly for 5 years or so in order to get the experience required for EK DEC (ie 5000 to 8000) then come to EK and take a pay cut. starting salaries EK Capt based on 80hrs 37230dhs, Fly Dubai 41000dhs
Nothing wrong with the yanks flying ability. 21 yr olds excell at puting a missiles down on the bad guys all the time(well almost all are aimed straight). They can fly just like the rest of us except if you came off an F/O CRJ position based in the states and had never had to put up with the crap ATC, barely there english and sometimes blatently racist attitudes you would take a while to fit in too. Most of them will be fine just like you and me. I think crash statistics prove my point with the appalling record in some countries ie:indonesia,africa etc. And no I'm not American. Just my thoughts based on many hours spent in the front seat with lots of different nationalities.
I have flown with a large number of Americans in the past 6-8 months and have not yet run across one of them that was not a good pilot. In fact, I would say on the whole, they were above average.
There is the tendency for shoddy RT though, and even then that is only about 1/4 of them. But man, that Chuck Yeager, ''Roger that, undershtand cleared down 24 OH'' crap gives a good indication of the likely long winded, confusing RT to ATC. I think it is just a symptom of having flown so much in N.A.. It usually is not a big deal, but on the other hand, it is so easy to fix I do not underSHtand why the few don't make the effort. It is one less hole in that sliced cheese model in my opinion.
I now ask if they wish the first leg for a couple of reasons. One, they seem to prefer flying out of DXB and into new destinations, which I think is wise. And two, they tend to use standard RT after listening to me do my best at standard RT on the first leg. It is just a theory...... feel free to ridicule me..... I don't mind.
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