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Old 14th August 2008, 18:32   #1 (permalink)
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EK: Uniform at the CCC (EGHQ)

I see in Ed's latest publication that we now need to check our appearance whilst walking through the CCC (Command (us) and Control (us) Centre.)

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Professional Appearance

One of the hazards of working in the same building with a lot of other Emirates employees is that our uniform and personal appearance become visible to a wider spectrum of our work colleagues. We are seeing a disturbing trend of pilots arriving to the Crew Centre carrying backpacks or wearing coloured rucksacks on their back whilst in uniform. This is not a professional appearance and detracts from what is otherwise a very smart looking pilot who is wearing his/her uniform well. Please do not wear or bring to the Crew Centre these types of bags.

Having said the above, we recognize the need for pilots to have a means to carry additional items whilst on a trip. Fleet is in the process of sourcing a standard, black executive type of carrying case with Emirates logo for those pilots who need to bring additional items that they wish to carry outside their suitcase or roll-aboard luggage. We hope to have the case available for issue in early October.(Yes, in the mean time it's much better to carry your pyjamas for that ULR flight under your arm)

Lastly, with so many of our office colleagues now capable of seeing how we look coming to work, it is even more important than before that we maintain our professional appearance with regard to wearing of ties, hats, buttoning the double-breasted jacket and in general looking smart. Our colleagues in the Emirates Headquarters, most of whom fly with us at some point, make their first impressions of our capabilities based on how we look since they don’t have any frame of reference other than appearance. We want them to be proud of their pilot group. (What a crock of .... )

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Old 14th August 2008, 19:01   #2 (permalink)
 
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While I find the issue of extra bags, golf clubs, etc rather silly (If pax can carry them, why the heck can't WE?), I will agree that quite a few pilots do walk around looking like a bag of sh#t. If we expect to be treated like professionals, we better look and act the part. The company pays us to follow what's in the FOM, and part of that is the uniform code. I know a lot of guys will say "when they start treating me like a professional, I'll act like one" but to me that's a very un-professional attitude to have in the first place.
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Old 14th August 2008, 21:18   #3 (permalink)
 
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YYZ,

I disagree. Walking around Ops I don't find that any of my colleagues "look like a bag of sh#t". As you put it. Even after ULR "missions" with ridiculously short rest period down-route.

Maybe you'd like to elaborate on what in your opinion constitutes "looking like sh#t" because if it's not wearing a jacket and hat INSIDE the CCC then you're WAY off base!

PS: Are you Captain America in Canadian disguise?
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Old 14th August 2008, 21:56   #4 (permalink)
 
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Besides - I've yet to see ANY staff that I didn't see already in the CBC, or the TBF for that matter
As for wearing hats indoors - well, that's just bad manners!!

Anyway - based on appearance it's hardly surprising that most departments don't work too well
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Old 15th August 2008, 12:33   #5 (permalink)
 
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Is it that they want to hide us from the outside EK world that our dispatch is about the size of a pub toilet? Or is it for that reason that we are confined in isolation for our briefing, so that others don't see us not wearing our silly hats during cockpit briefing?
How unprofessional is that!
To see collegues during briefing is a source of information and professional exchange, which is (was) quite important to me.
Apparently not to them, at least less than us wearing that crappy hat, but beware of a backpack!

What did they preach during upgrade: Set priorities.
Point proven, well done ED.
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Old 15th August 2008, 13:43   #6 (permalink)
 
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What an effing Kn*b he is...... deprived a village of its Idiot

And by the way I bet you no one complained, it's another one of these letters where he pretends that people have complained to him about some aspect of the pilot community, but where in fact he has decided himself to complain about something but doesn't have the balls to put his name to it
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Old 15th August 2008, 13:43   #7 (permalink)
 
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pool i agree, how many times did you see someone in breifing that had the latest gen on the very place you were going for the first time, and whats with the white board?
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Old 15th August 2008, 13:51   #8 (permalink)
 
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Angry

If Ed and Squeely spent more of their time actually listening to the Pilots on the line rather than listening to their few little stooges brown nosing up to them they might get some decent feed back about how the company is being run and what could be done to improve matters.
Obviously Ed has nothing better to do than tell us that we should button our jackets when walking through the COC (company ops centre), however after a 14+ hour flight when I'm tired, the e-gate isn't working again, the suitcases are nowhere to be seen and there is a queue a mile long to get cars home (when there are none waiting), it is horribly hot and humid but I still have to wear my jacket (because it has been a layover) so I'm hot and bothered, quite frankly whether my jacket is done up or not does not even register of things I give a sh#t about and anyway I haven't seen any body from the upper levels of the COC (COC up levels?) to be seen at the times we are actually there (usually between the hours of 2200 - 0700)!!!
ED get a life and do something worthwhile.

PS are Ed and Squeely actually entitled to wear the Emirates uniform with wings - they've never actually passed any checks to fly any aircraft at EK, it is a bit like Kevin Griffiths (the fat slug) at Cabin Services turning up at some PR bash wearing a Pursers uniform - I THINK NOT - so why do this pair of jokers think it is OK to wear Pilots uniforms?
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Old 15th August 2008, 14:19   #9 (permalink)
 
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BWAHAHAH! Seriously, how can one even take such a letter seriously? Creating fictional issues and then "addressing" them, are we so lacking in genuine problems that we need to create these laughable straw men?! I think not.

On a related note from the same memo.

Dear Ed.

As an airline pilot, I live a great deal of my life downroute. As such, I will from time to time take along the accoutrements to allow a healthy leisure activity such as golfing or surfing whilst away from my family and loved ones. I do not think this unreasonable, why, until recently with the new "improved" EGHQ this was not even an issue. Perhaps if I was trying to stuff a baby Steinway through the silly little cattle-chute of the eGate so that I might develop my sonata virtuosity I would understand a memo imploring staff to leave it at home. But it is EK who has changed the system, not staff who have suddenly changed their routine. As usual, with no regard for the staff. A system that ostensibly is designed to parallel the pax baggage handling. Where then, is the facility to handle oversized items? Oh my, once again a double standard exists, how shocking. *yawn*

Ah well, I guess it makes sense. After all, what do you need these things for anyway? Golfing? You should be using your personal laptop to use the internet connection you paid 15 quid for yourself to complete a GATI course on your own time anyway.

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Old 15th August 2008, 16:09   #10 (permalink)
 
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COC issues

Can anybody explain why the briefing area is airside?
Why on earth would you design it like that? You can't see the FDM when you land. You can't get out if your flight is delayed and you can't get in if you are not on a flight.
The first e-gate should be an ID check (So no randoms wondering around) then it makes more sense to make the gates just before the Bus the e-gate and airside from there.

As for the uniform thing Ed is just showing how out of touch he really is.
Does anybody really listen to a word he says or writes?
I can’t remember reading anything from him and thinking that was useful!
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Old 15th August 2008, 17:55   #11 (permalink)
 
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The new COC is Fcucked. I had to practically take a packed lunch to pick up my mail before the flight- Oh that is right, I had no right to want to pick up my personal mail before the flight. My ID card didn't work, Had to laugh when the Indian/Pakistani security IT dude, snapped the mag strip section of my ID card and then said- "It is broken now it will not work"- No shit sherlock!. The timer counting down, the rush rush rush - all prior to our official legal sign on time- the cramped briefing area (isolated) for 4 crew members about to embark on a ULR trip. (Yes it used to be good to chat to the Mel/Syd/Per guys about which route they were taking etc.) The multiple bloody egate doors you have to check thru- I mean really- the last one enroute to Buses on departure is a fcking joke.

Then on return- the farce continues- 20minute wait for your bags when they were on the bloody bus with you from the jet, the even bigger, hotter joke of Emirtates cars shambolically waiting in single file to take you home.

The extra track miles to drop of your paperwork, get your mail from the mailboxes (the supplied locks don't fit).

It goes on and on.

Lets just go back to the old demountable and let the management knobbers keep their shiny little marble palace.

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Old 15th August 2008, 19:22   #12 (permalink)
 
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Hats who needs them!?

Hats............can anybody tell me why we have them?

In purely perception terms does the wearing of a hat signal to all and sundry that we as flight crew have reponsibility for somewhere in the region of 1.5 billion us of company liability?

If so shouldn't everyone with similar liability have a hat?

After all if you want to get a head get a hat! ( note, not some !)

Alternatively..................can't we just get rid of the flipping things and thus avoid the problem.

On top of the silliness of hats, how much will it cost to replace all those hats that ,like mine look like a U boat commander's?

Surely in this time of high fuel prices and cost cutting it makes good financial sense to be rid of the "lid".

My god it rhymes

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Old 15th August 2008, 20:10   #13 (permalink)
 
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Dude...

That must be the funniest retort I have ever seen to the stupidest letter i have ever read. Well done!

How about we all tie our jackets around our waists while we sweat it out waiting for transport home and see if any of the COC heads notice!

BOF
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Old 15th August 2008, 20:59   #14 (permalink)
 
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ROFL, that was good for a laugh..i can just picture the look on the cabin crew's faces as a pilot standing in the galley rips off his uniform superman style to display his lovely blue PJ's
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Old 16th August 2008, 05:02   #15 (permalink)
 
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Been to the Bouncy Castle ( Bulls@#T: Castle) twice know, never made it through the E gate. I did ask if I could go home as I felt rejected, but they managed to get me in the side door after 20 min, thou not sure if I will get paid as I was still showing not checked in.

What the F@#$# are we doing airside during the briefing did any Pilot (other then Ed TCAS or Captain America, not really pilots) have any input, going to be fun when the fog comes 200 people locked airside for 5 hours.

And the only thing that Ed is worried about is jackets on hats at the ready and please no extra bags what a t#$%# wonder what the weathers like on his planet!!!!
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Old 16th August 2008, 07:32   #16 (permalink)
 
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Absolutely Fcucking Hilarious!!!

I Love It!!!
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Old 16th August 2008, 09:02   #17 (permalink)
 
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Got there at 1820 last night for a delayed flight. E-gate wouldn't let us through. Turns out that the flight had been delayed an extra hour. I couldn't sign on or do anything else, so it's off to the standby lounge for a 40 minute wait on my time!

When we were finally let in there was no briefing room assigned for the flight, as that was done hours ago & the briefing time had expired. In the end I had to demand one from the idiots at the desk.

Then I discover that the flight attendants had been there since 1430. The purser told me that there was no food available in the area & that they had only managed to get a few finger sandwiches & some orange juice supplied. Now that's going to be fun on a foggy day with crews for a dozen or so flights hanging around & nothing to eat.

I don't know what the heck they do with the bags on arrival. The bus only has to move some 200 metres down from the crew drop-off point to put the bags on the belt. Either the drivers are stopping for a chat before bothering to put them on the belt or, once they are on the belt, they are going the long way! Probably get taken off half way to the carousel for some sort of 'security check'.

As for the transport home. After getting a car number from the transport desk, I've never gone home in the car that was assigned. Once you get outside some other guy reorganises everything & you end up in a different car - that's if there is a car going your way. 6 or 7 cars sitting there last night, but none were available to take the F/O & I home!

As usual, the system is working great - not. More great ideas from on high, that the people at the coalface have to try & make it work.

Have fun everyone!
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Old 16th August 2008, 09:34   #18 (permalink)
 
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Laughed so hard I spilled me cuppa cha whilst reading it!
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Old 16th August 2008, 11:23   #19 (permalink)
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There is no more disgrace to our uniform than seeing that over-egoed Ed tarting around SFO as Capt Ed in a uniform he is not qualified to put on, having not passed any form of check in this company as a pilot, or indeed even holding a type rating or a UAE Licence.

Why don't we report him to the Police and the FAA for trying to impersonate a pilot. He has been trying to impersonate a manger here for some time and has been caught out at that too. You can't do time for impersonating a manager though can you ? I guess if you did half of Flight Ops would be doing time.

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He appears to have his hands in his pockets, his jacket does not fit, his tie is crooked, and the sunglasses make him look like some used car salesman.

I do hope he rebuked Senior Vice President, Commercial Operations The Americas, Nigel Page for not buttoning up his jacket.

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Old 16th August 2008, 21:07   #20 (permalink)
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This letter is jes hilarious... coming from a guy who dresses like Julio Iglesias visiting a bordello... better get yer 'colours' done dude...

Can't carry a back pack? Holy Mary Mother of God what has happened to these guys? Thumb in bum, mind in neutral...

I am glad there's some dialogue goin' on here about it finally - I got nothin' good to say about the "improvements"... I mean Jaysus H. Murphy... the frickin' suitcases 'r in the trailer 10 feet behind the bus but we gotta stand around waitin' on mind f&$k america's idea (apologies to Green Day) of a luggage delivery system and wait 10 minutes fer the case to come shootin' off the belt at about 50 km/hr... where has it been?

'nuff said...

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