The Prophet of Truth

Dear BK1980,

Following the very good explanation "To the Point" has given my guess would be something around two years.

Good luck!

BurDubaiBob

BritishGuy - a point well made but seemingly ignored by many.

In spite of supposed 'intelligence', the powers-that-be are regularly unable to foretell or prevent such attacks, which doesn't exactly inspire confidence in their often heard sermon of "Of course it's safe lads" !

And as to their mantra that "Terry Taliban does not posses weapons capable of downing an aircraft"... well that excuse is now looking a bit thin, isn't it ?!

tothepoint & The Prohphet Of Truth - your estimation of 2 years is only correct for those who have already joined!

As I explained here, unless there are some fundamental changes in the hiring profile, there will soon come a point when those joining in the right hand seat can anticipate to sit there for a lot longer than 2 years and - with the present hiring profile vs aircraft still to be delivered - that particular point for new hire F/O's is only a few months away!

For those contemplating joining FZ in the RHS, might I suggest that you either make very soon or else expect a very long / indefinite wait in the right seat !

temporarily unsure

Isn't it a bit strange that it's OK for the pilots not to be covered for going into a war zone when the a/c docs folder has an updated schedule of insurance? Perhaps the lessors take a different view?

hazy85

any idea guys about who the cp is, where is he from and what kind of person is he?

Wellington Bomber

an american guy who is shortly retiring as he has reached 65 by the name of David Ray

Miss Aviator

If I believed in Karma that would be what happened for me. Passed CTC aptitude and group stuff but was let go after the interview. They could at least give you a chance in the sim and then make the final decision... anyway, better that it didn't work out because I am so through with flying in KDH... Now flying in a much better place thank you very much.

Back in 2007 out of only just 5 flights I had made there 4 had incidents:

1- airport unsafe so we hold for 40min (it was under attack again)
2- missile launched at us but missed--ATC asked if we are ok
3- Two US helo's that are there to protect us during our night landings with no lights caused a TCAS RA because the tower said it was ok to turn base (could not see them on TCAS and they have to have all their lights off too)
4- and finally after landing and fueling up the alarm goes off and the airport is under attack...we were told in such cases that we should exit the aircraft and run away from the aircraft and hit the ground for cover A REGULAR WAR ZONE !! So what does the company do after this? Provide us with flack jackets and helmets !!! unbelievable and pointless. The captain made a very good point that if they were to shoot at the aircraft filled to the gills with jet fuel that our running and hitting the ground would not do much as the explosion would engulf us so we stayed in the aircraft. Our situation was laughable and moronic, how silly to be wearing a flack jacket and a helmet inside the aircraft (these were cargo flights BTW).

In previous years all crew were paid danger pay but is more money worth the risk of losing your life ? We weren't getting danger pay and the insurance didn't cover us either and still captains were accepting to fly there -- I was still low time so that was my excuse. What about Best Air that was in the hotel near Kabul airport that got attacked back in 2008 I believe? I heard accounts of the crew walking past the machine gun raked hotel walls and witnessing a couple of dead bodies (none of his crew hurt but the other wing of the hotel demolished) Most crew that were involved in that one quit afterwards.

So if Karma is out there I would like to thank her

Miss Aviator

I just found out about another terrible attack... a little late but better late than never. For all that are considering working in Afghanistan with FlyDubai:

Barack Obama warns 'our work is not done' after Taliban hotel siege - Telegraph

That Spanish pilot was working for SAGA Airlines at the time but insert any airlines name... makes no difference to the angel of death.

It's real folks... sh*t happens out there so if you do go you have been warned.

Peace, out.

spanishfly69

Miss Aviator thank you so much for the information.But please, Remind me again why did you apply and interview for flydubai?

Guided accordingly

Spanish,

My guess would be she applied for the same reasons as the rest of us. She was lucky, she didn't join flydubai before she found out that : -

We now fly into war zones.
Personal Insurance is inadequate. ( aircraft cover ok!)
Personal Medical cover is substandard.
Management Lie... period.
Security dept Lie ... period.
Rostering is as bad as it was before aims was introduced.
Unhelpful HR.
Multiple Pay scales for same job.


It could just be enough to put you off ?

spanishfly69

Guided Accordingly,

I have to agree 100% on what you are saying about FD.

I only think that now days you should to do your diligence before you apply to a job. Miss aviator did interview with CTC; therefore there are no excuses for her or Him not to know what is going on in FD. She most likely even pay her or his travel arrangements for the interview.
So, as a pilot, you look really bad when you get turned down for a job and then you start talking badly about the place.

It is just my humble opinion

Cheers!!!

roden737

Just something completely different.....

I received an invitation for the CTC assessment (as you all know , everything payed by me..)

Is there anyone here that knows about the requirements to pass the medical later on in DXB)
The reason for me asking is that I have lenses ( -3 both eyes one of them with a cylinder )
If I would go to a initial JAA medical check I would not pass the class 1 due to my eyes, it would be nice to know if that will be a problem before spending a lot of money.....

Thanks!

pocho

Back to the interview and selection process:
Just had an interesting one....some insider CTC was talking about the system of selling some "special" classes to pass the Flydubai pilot selection process.
Anyone had the same info ? I am just posting this strange info I got, but unfortunately I don't have evidence of that.

Son of the soil

pocho I am also hearing CTC selling some special course to help people pass the flydubai interview.

zman

Hey guys anyone have any scoop on the cheapest way to do the southampton screen?
im coming form the US and what a pain to nonrev into london then bus it to southampton then cab to CTC!

i was told 45 pounds a night at CTC anyone else have any suggestions?

thx

StuckinFZ

My suggestion: Apply for another job. A job where they at least cover your cost of travel and accommodation for screening.......

roden737

StuckinFZ,

There are simply not a lot of options around.... Maybe they will reconsider when CTC doesn't have to schedule extra dates anymore due to the huge amounts of people coming.

Anybody who has any idea about my medical question for FlyDubai? Simply put are the standards the same for a JAA Class1 initial or recurrent?

Thanks!

Wizofoz

I've worked for 5 airlines, and the only element of that I EVER recieved was HOTAC in Dubai with EK (After I paid the airfare).

Why would an airline consider you if you can't even be ar5ed to turn up at the interview under you own steam?

zman

when you join is the basic salary 17000 plus housing and transport allowance and school?

do they give you a start up kit or cash to furnish a place?

how long is training 2 months?

once out of training what king of cash from flight time can i expect?

Thanks

SKYWRITER1

Wizofoz,

maybe because they used to. They paid flights (which they get cheaply from Emirates) and hotac for everyone. Now you have to go to Southampton, which isn't the easiest to get to internationally, and over 3500 miles from Dubai, before having a final interview in DXB.

Considering they are desperate for pilots, all of which will be expat, they dont make it particularly attractive to people who would be possibly giving up a lot, or who are skint because they are out of work.

I work at FZ, and am happy here, but for a company who will soon be short of pilots (according to an official email) they dont do themselves any favours when it comes to attracting people, and I'm not just talking about the selection process!

Zman,

As far as I remember, you get 3500aed for relocation expenses but no set up pack. Training took 4 weeks if rated, then about a week line training. I'm currently flying 80hrs/month, but the yearly average is more like 60/month.

zman

thanks for the info do you guys also get employee pass travel on emirates and FZ? my wife would like to go ho,e to EU and like to know if we can use EK ?

thx