simba82

Is this due to delivery of new aircrafts starting in April as there hasnt been much activity in other positions for hiring and also seeing they are not announcing new routes more like cutting routes out of the Network whats going on at FD?

High Energy

What's going on? Lots and lots of people leaving. Markets back home are picking up, people tired of the rosters and costs in Dubai.

It is my perception they are cancelling long thin routes as they are heavy on crew hrs and we don't have enough crew. Couple that with a poor performing Russian market.

Something has to be done, big time, to save the upcoming expansion or there will be no one to fly these aircraft, especially left hand seat. This place can be sooo nice with just a few tweaks of the system. It has the potential but so far lacking the initiative.

Lots of talk behind the scenes on how to save this. But talk is just talk...

what-to-do

People have been saying the very same thing for well over 5 years now..... "could be a great place to work......".

Unfortunately, it ain't. Flydubai will never be much more than a stepping stone for many young low hour pilots or non rated people that need a 737 rating.

Luibar

So, you believe there will be no improvement on the conditions offered by FD? Interesting times ahead if they just do nothing to stop the bleeding of pilots now that the expansion is due to start.

what-to-do

I can't say that there has been no improvement over the last few years, because there has. Unfortunately, those improvements have been in areas where they have minimal impact on our lives.

The areas where FZ needs drastic improvement is scheduling. This has been an issue for the entire time i have been here. If, after six years or so, they are still able to operate with virtual impunity, then it isn't likely to change much any time soon.

B737SFP

Just as a matter of curiosity, what's the average upgrade time at FZ for an experienced (4000+) 737 FO ?

Tasmanian

And where do all the people go?!

dubaigong

They go to Ryanair , Jet2 , Air France , some Chinese airlines , Emirates ...

migair54

Chinese airlines pay an indecent amount of money to PIC in B737 and A320, up to 25-26 grand per month and conmuting, 6 weeks On, 2 weeks Off, other go back close to home, majors in USA or Europe, even Ryanair, Easyjet, Norwegian, right now IB, BA, VS, SAS, TK, Jet2 are hiring pilots, BA is even going to Doha to hire and I think many pilots of EK-EY-FZ could be interested also and pass by DOH.

Right now experience pilots are in be very high deman and it's going to get worse for airlines, shortage is becoming real.

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Luibar

I would be more than happy to apply if rosters improve a little. As stated before, the prospect of flying mainly night shifts with minimal days off for a few years until seniority really kicks in is not a plus.


Besides the rosters, there are a few more perks that, for me, are valuable that I hope are in place on the package offered by FZ. And I'm not a low hour pilot nor someone looking for a jet rating.


As I said before, in my humble opinion, interesting times ahead for Flydubai.

Tasmanian

Concerning EK, are the guys(girls) with only narrow body experience are eligible for DEC positions(website says yes, but how is it in a real life). Have there been these shifts recently?

Luibar

Well, I know a guy who applied for DEC with wide body time and not even get a reply.

what-to-do

Not too sure where you are getting 8% attrition from, but as I understand it, it's around 12%.

Luibar

Hi, also looking for information regarding the following:

- Loss of license
- Life insurance
- How many sick days leave per year?
- Any profit scheme available?
- Do they provide an anual leave ticket or any kind of allowance for it?

Sorry for the questions, but I've been searching in most threats about FZ and could not find information about.




Anyone willing to share information?

Thanks.

daDoki

Guys,

Anyone knows what monthly salary to expect as FO with 80hours a month?

(I would appreciate answer from FO currently flying in FZ)

(I read on the website pilotjobsnetwork 42000AED basic + 125AED/hour and this does NOT match what they offered during interview. What they offered is 41000AED incl. flight pay)


Thanks a lot.

Otto Throttle

Simply put, PPJN is wrong and your interviewer was correct. Somewhere around the 41-42k mark is about right.

High Energy

Current info in AED per month. Hope this helps.

Captain
Basic p/m : 25225
Housing Allowance p/m : 15000
Transport Allowance p/m : 2600
Flightpay : 175 per block hr
School allowance 40K primary, 60K secondary for up to 3 kids. Starts from when they turn 3.

FO:
Basic p/m : 17000
Housing Allowance p/m : 12600
Transport Allowance p/m : 2000
Flightpay : 125 per block hr
School allowance same as Captain.

Second officers/cadets:
No idea.

Annual leave ticket can be transferred to you as cash. Depends on your family composition and the destination but can reward up to 13K for 2+2 to Western Europe.

No need to mention pay for flying days off as it's peanuts.
Expect between 850-900 hrs per year.

Regarding sick. They follow UAE Labour law article .83;

3 Months AFTER your probation ends you are entitled to sick leave. Max 90 days per year. Cumulative or successive, it's 90 days total. You get;
-15 days full salary
-30 days halve salary
-Then no pay.

They may assign you to office duties if you are classed as 'long term sick' or pregnant.
(The meaning of 'salary' is not broken down so difficult to say what they actually mean. Pretty sure just basic salary without flight pay AND allowances!)

No loss of license.
No real profit share as the number will never hit the set out target as the threshold is way too high IMHO) There is a system in place but just forget about it.

-5 days per year compassionate leave.
-Emergency leave will be deducted from your annual leave balance.

Luibar

Are you able to bid from DWC or is it totally random?


Thanks.

LostinT2DXB

Or if you are trying to avoid DWC it is possible at the moment. The company only serves 5 cities, and only 2 of those have more than 1 flight a day. No one knows exactly when or how FZ will move to DWC, but rumors lately are that by the end of 2017 the majority of FZ flights will be from DWC. Probably DWC service will continue to expand starting in the summer when aircraft deliveries start up again, but usually we are the last to hear what really is going to happen.

Sallytraffic

How is the leave situation?

I see the guys at Emirates are getting shafted with the leave, not getting their 42 days and are getting unusable blocks of 4 days here and there.

Is it the same here or can you expect 42 days and a few long blocks off a year?

Thanks