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Old 2nd Jul 2008, 09:51   #1 (permalink)
 
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Emirates Hold Pool

hi folks

been told im in the holding pool..does any one have an idea how long this could probably be..or an idea on what sgoing on regarding future courses especially this year

thanks...
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Old 2nd Jul 2008, 14:05   #2 (permalink)
 
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Some time between next week and never.

The industry has turned around so quickly that in the space of a couple of months EK has gone from practically cold calling people to come for interview to now creating a hold pool. And not just because a few Boeings have been delayed for 4 weeks.

On another thread there's a press release from EKs headman. He says he has a team working on solutions to this fuel/recession crisis.

You can bet that a cancellation of all recruitment is on their table, although it may not come to that.

The headman also says that no redundancies are planned. When people say that they usually mean yet.

Emirates has a great history in managing crisis, they don't do it by being kind and they haven't faced up uncontrollable costs before.

I would cancel recruitment, keep new aircraft coming but make 'bus and Boeing take the older aircraft in trade. Work the guys harder (hmm) and settle for at best slight growth whilst the competitors are retrenching.

The competitors being AF, BA, CX, KLM, LH, QF, and SQ.
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Old 2nd Jul 2008, 17:27   #3 (permalink)
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Im in the same boat with the holding pool. I have a class date with Qatar and kind of worried. I would hate to give up Qatar for a promise from Emirates and end up with nothing.
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Old 2nd Jul 2008, 22:04   #4 (permalink)
 
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aapa,
Is this pool for a training class? When did you interview? I interviewed in early June and haven't heard this news yet. Thanks
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Old 3rd Jul 2008, 00:35   #5 (permalink)
 
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Another one here in the pool.

Interviewed the last week of May. One guy who had a 2 week notice period has a class date at the end of September. Myself and another got the pool email, I'm on a months notice and he's on 3 months.

It was a relief to hear something but now I'm wondering if it's going to be a case of first in, first out. Or are they going to pick and choose??
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Old 4th Jul 2008, 08:52   #6 (permalink)
 
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help we need urgent info.....what does this mean hold pool has emirates done this before in the past i was interv. early may
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Old 4th Jul 2008, 14:57   #7 (permalink)
 
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Please calm down everyone. The demand here in EK for pilots is still huge!! The situation is that with the 777s delayed for a bit means that most of the training has been put onto the Airbus and there simply aren't the resources to cope with the numbers of student pilots. If you passed the interview you will get the job (I am sure), it is just a case of be patient until we can take you in as things are busy right now. I am in training and can tell you that with well over a hundered jets on order, we aren't going to be looking at layoffs, EK needs all the good people it can get. If EK is your choice, stay with it and time will go fast enough and you will be here. Ek has the money, attitude and ability to get through any downturn in aviation. I have been in aviation 24 years and these guys will be the last standing if airlines go bust.

See you soon in the pit.

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Old 4th Jul 2008, 16:46   #8 (permalink)
 
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To answer aapa's question:
The holding pool concept is nothing new with Emirates so don't worry.
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Old 4th Jul 2008, 20:40   #9 (permalink)
 
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thanks chap

greatly appreciated.....things here in the uk don't look to good..
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Old 4th Jul 2008, 23:17   #10 (permalink)
 
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Sure hope you're right Shitd. As my job depends on it.

Your optimism presumes that passengers will continue to book and fly in the face of rising fares. And some will.

But take EKs UK traffic, 14 flights in and then out every day, mostly leisure travelers bound for the sub-continent, the Far East and Oz. With UK high street traders and house-builders reporting very bad times in the press this week, how likely is it that British passengers will be queuing up to fill those spanking 773s and 380s over the next couple of years? Past history suggests slim pickings. And Europe is moving the same way.

I am sure that Emirates will survive, but I doubt it will do so by taking no action in the face of a global downturn.

Somebody asked would layoffs be last in first out. My guess is that if it comes to layoffs EK will take the most cost-effective solution they can get away with.
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Old 5th Jul 2008, 21:11   #11 (permalink)
 
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Stop being bitter please Brokenenglish and live in the real world. You should apply and get the invite before you give up your old job, so any out of work situation will be your doing (if that becomes the case). Besides the fact of the current global downturn, EK tickets I am sure will be competitively priced if it needs be AND you don't seem to realise that we are not just a charter/holiday passenger airline. There are the holiday makers, a lot of business people and a WHOLE LOT of near Asians who we move around the world. Along with that, the route structure and many other factors keep EK in a very competitive situation in any forecast downturn.

Stay cool, and blame the oil speculators and the lending banks for the mess of the global financial downturn, not airline recruiters, besides, the training and recruitment is still in place and there is not even a whisper of a rumour of freezing the training or such like.

I shall say no more on this thread!
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Old 6th Jul 2008, 07:40   #12 (permalink)
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I very rarely post on this website! But I have been in Ek for over five years and I would like to back up what Jack has said! I have 100% confidence in the airline management to weather this latest crisis!

During SARS for example we increased belly cargo loads to offset the lack of passengers and thus flight costs were more than covered!

I also personally believe by keeping up the expansion through this down turn EK will be extremely strong when the world economy recovers!
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Old 6th Jul 2008, 12:15   #13 (permalink)
 
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You're right CRS - if the expansion goes on then EK will dominate when things start looking up...
All my recent flights are over 95% load factors, with lots of cargo down below...
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Old 6th Jul 2008, 13:29   #14 (permalink)
 
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jack schidt

Thanks Jack,

for your encouraging words.

Sometimes for no apparent reason doing nothing or if you want to put it in other words "be patient" seems to be the most difficult habbit to develop.

But it will pay off not only this time.
Damn sure.

Keep us informed+updated with your insights. Say more please...


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Old 6th Jul 2008, 15:01   #15 (permalink)
 
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thanks js

it's good to hear a bit of sanity on this site...I'm in the pool and just wating for the news...take care all , hope for the best.
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Old 7th Jul 2008, 07:28   #16 (permalink)
 
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From the recruitment manager directly; all classes as of right now are full through the end of the year and there are only 40 openings through the end of the fiscal year which is end of March. Obviously that can change but that is where EK stands as of two days ago.
Seems they did a good job with selling Emirates to the commuter pilots in the states because that is the bulk of the classes. Pilots getting furloughed in the states now will have to wait awhile before coming but hopefully everything will turn around by then and maybe they won't get laid off.
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Old 7th Jul 2008, 18:23   #17 (permalink)
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If there are only 40 openings in till the end of march why havent the guys being put in a holding pool been assinged one of those openings. Why is EK still interviewing and getting all our hopes up. Are we gonna be on standby just in case the regional guys dont show up or are they waiting to see if they can get "better" candidates. If you could ask the recruiting manager that question that would be great.
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Old 20th Jul 2008, 14:48   #18 (permalink)
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Any news on the hold pool. Has anyone been pulled out or advised a possible class date. is there any specific order people will be pulled out of the pool or will it be handpicked.
Thanks
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Old 21st Jul 2008, 10:54   #19 (permalink)
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bustrash,

to have a confirm qatar offer and waiting for a ek standby is a hard thing...personally will go for the confirm one but at the end of the day its your choice and how much you want to join ek


I heard from a ek insider that all courses are filled up till march 2009.

They are giving start date to guys based on points scored on in the interview.

which means this they are calling guys who did very well first and putting guys who just passed in a pool.

I dont know mate this is what i heard....could anyone confirm this??
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Old 21st Jul 2008, 11:46   #20 (permalink)
 
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I was told they have suspended flight deck recruitment as a way of reducing costs. The fuel price is hurting and the only way to turn a profit is to get guys to work harder.
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