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from the C conferences :
ZERO new aircraft deliveries in FY 2010-2011 (well guess that must be the proof that Dubai Inc. is struggling to raise cash).
Upgrade slots for those in the company more than 2 years : between 5 and 6 years.
For the new joiners : A lot more.
Well guess you can scrap that quick command of your positive's list.
ZERO new aircraft deliveries in FY 2010-2011 (well guess that must be the proof that Dubai Inc. is struggling to raise cash).
Upgrade slots for those in the company more than 2 years : between 5 and 6 years.
For the new joiners : A lot more.
Well guess you can scrap that quick command of your positive's list.
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I have been offered a position on B777 starting on August. I declined as I have a better job for now. Ex skipper B747 and B737. What is different from interview is flying pay going up to 83-92 hours and housing amount.
Good luck to all of you going there.
Good luck to all of you going there.
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My buddy just got an email and he declined for a september class. He had heavy time and experience but it did not make sense for him to leave his company with the changes in package.
Best of luck to all you poolies. I emailed hr a month ago and told them to take me off the list.
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Best of luck to all you poolies. I emailed hr a month ago and told them to take me off the list.
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Interviewed in May 2008. Just offered a job with Airbus class starting in September. Turned down 
due to long time to command. Currently 747 Captain with 15000 total time, 5000 PIC on 747, 3500 PIC 757/767. Good luck to those who continue!
due to long time to command. Currently 747 Captain with 15000 total time, 5000 PIC on 747, 3500 PIC 757/767. Good luck to those who continue!
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Keep Declining!
EK management have made it perfectly clear that we should not complain about the Company slashing our Ts and Cs, but rather just be happy to have a job working for one of the greatest companies in the universe.
If this sounds like your dream job, then come on down, but just expect to continue to make further donations to keep this amazing airline from sinking in the quicksand.
If this sounds like your dream job, then come on down, but just expect to continue to make further donations to keep this amazing airline from sinking in the quicksand.
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Have a long hard look at your present job before coming here. If you are out of work or with a company about to go under then that is a different story.
900 hours / year min days off and the cost of everything going up not to mention the reduction in the T&C's.
900 hours / year min days off and the cost of everything going up not to mention the reduction in the T&C's.
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I have to second that. It has become a job like all the other jobs out there. If you have one, then you'll just change your location. If your T&Cs are dilluting, they do the same here. If your taxes are going bezerk, believe me, the hidden ones here, from gvt or company do exactly the same. If you are threatened by redundancy or downsizing, here you are threatened by the sack for things that mock any description. You are just replacing the threat of redundancy by the threat of beeing sacked. The only difference here is a fearful cockpit atmosphere and thus affected flight safety.
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take it into account...
from EK crewportal:
School Fees
My children's school fees will rise by 12% from next term. Will the allowance increase accordingly. - Question Posted on 29th May 2009 This year the remuneration and benefits package has been frozen and therefore an increase to the Education Support Allowance (ESA) cannot be considered at this time. However the company continues to review benefits and allowances, so when the situation changes, if the review of ESA justifies amendments to the allowance then these will be presented for approval along with any other recommendations. Unfortunately the company has no influence on the school terms and conditions and fee levels, therefore if parents are unhappy with any new fee levels suggested by a school then are encouraged to collectively lodge their complaints with the Ministry of Education and the school. Regards Helena White Human Resources Manager (Operations)
that means:
2 children in secondary school..have to pay 16000 dhs from my pocket....
School Fees
My children's school fees will rise by 12% from next term. Will the allowance increase accordingly. - Question Posted on 29th May 2009 This year the remuneration and benefits package has been frozen and therefore an increase to the Education Support Allowance (ESA) cannot be considered at this time. However the company continues to review benefits and allowances, so when the situation changes, if the review of ESA justifies amendments to the allowance then these will be presented for approval along with any other recommendations. Unfortunately the company has no influence on the school terms and conditions and fee levels, therefore if parents are unhappy with any new fee levels suggested by a school then are encouraged to collectively lodge their complaints with the Ministry of Education and the school. Regards Helena White Human Resources Manager (Operations)
that means:
2 children in secondary school..have to pay 16000 dhs from my pocket....
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I've just worked out that we have, up to this point in time, we have received a reduction of approx 20% to date and that's before the top up utility bill has to paid.
It's really not what it use to be. fear on the flight deck and we're getting poorer by the day. Do not kid yourself - time to command will now be running at over 5 years - you'll be broke by the time you get your command.
If EK can change the contract, which is illegal, don't be surprised if it changes again & again & ..........
Please be careful those of you giving up good jobs to come here. Those who are unemployed, it's obvious, but don't be surprised.
It's really not what it use to be. fear on the flight deck and we're getting poorer by the day. Do not kid yourself - time to command will now be running at over 5 years - you'll be broke by the time you get your command.
If EK can change the contract, which is illegal, don't be surprised if it changes again & again & ..........
Please be careful those of you giving up good jobs to come here. Those who are unemployed, it's obvious, but don't be surprised.
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What is next?
Hi folks,
Interviewed last summer and did not get any mail those days, concerning the august and september courses. For those who are in the same situation than me, Do we can expect an email saying us bye bye from the pool, and just the silence means we are out of the big ball. Thanks for the comments. Congratulations and good luck for the guys called for the incoming classes.
Interviewed last summer and did not get any mail those days, concerning the august and september courses. For those who are in the same situation than me, Do we can expect an email saying us bye bye from the pool, and just the silence means we are out of the big ball. Thanks for the comments. Congratulations and good luck for the guys called for the incoming classes.
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I guess that would be per year............... but put that in perspective thats almost one month's salary for a first officer. Add this with your costs of elec. and water. no 3% and an increase in the work hours to around 90 per month.
As one F@*ked off EK pilot
unless your unemployed or being shot at dont come to the middle east. Even if you are unemployed remember as someone said earlier your best day will be your first at EK all downhill from there. Because you will then be bonded for 3 years and yes it does feel like a jail sentenance not only for you but for your whole family.
for once please people listen to what PPRUNE is saying i wish i had
cheers
I guess that would be per year............... but put that in perspective thats almost one month's salary for a first officer. Add this with your costs of elec. and water. no 3% and an increase in the work hours to around 90 per month.
As one F@*ked off EK pilot
unless your unemployed or being shot at dont come to the middle east. Even if you are unemployed remember as someone said earlier your best day will be your first at EK all downhill from there. Because you will then be bonded for 3 years and yes it does feel like a jail sentenance not only for you but for your whole family.for once please people listen to what PPRUNE is saying i wish i had
cheers
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Gents,
I have a very reliable friend on the inside and he mentioned that hr is dumbfounded why there are so many people who have turned down EK during this troubling time. The economy will pick up and if you are contracted for 3 years, you might miss the opportunity back home. Once you become an expat, you will always be an expat.
Especially with the upgrade times at 7+ plus years for newjoiners, it really does not make sense if you have a family. With the increase in educational costs for children, the increase hours (less time home), and the new DEWA fees...it would make sense if one just stayed put at your current airline. I worked out the numbers, and a new joiner will barely make ends meet if you have two or more children. With one child, you might be a able to put something aside. If you are single, with no responsibilities, then it will make sense to make the move. But i think with the diminishing lifestyle, the bias laws, no equal protection, it would make more sense to stay at home.
Remember that if your wife is not happy, then you will not be happy. Are you willing to take the chance?
I have a very reliable friend on the inside and he mentioned that hr is dumbfounded why there are so many people who have turned down EK during this troubling time. The economy will pick up and if you are contracted for 3 years, you might miss the opportunity back home. Once you become an expat, you will always be an expat.
Especially with the upgrade times at 7+ plus years for newjoiners, it really does not make sense if you have a family. With the increase in educational costs for children, the increase hours (less time home), and the new DEWA fees...it would make sense if one just stayed put at your current airline. I worked out the numbers, and a new joiner will barely make ends meet if you have two or more children. With one child, you might be a able to put something aside. If you are single, with no responsibilities, then it will make sense to make the move. But i think with the diminishing lifestyle, the bias laws, no equal protection, it would make more sense to stay at home.
Remember that if your wife is not happy, then you will not be happy. Are you willing to take the chance?
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For those of you who are thinking of comming to Emirates, let me tell you a story.
A guy arrives, all excited ready to commence his new career. Gets put in a villa under the flightpath, a mile or two from the runway. No curfew here, so aircraft going over 24/7. Lack of sleep starts to hamper his concentation & training.
Gets through the sim OK though & starts line training. Things are looking good. On his last line training flight he gets paired with a TRI who is a DEC & has only been with the company less than two & a half years. He is flying into Manchester & has never been there before (don't know about the TRI). This is sector 9 (thats right - you only get 10 sectors of line training!).
He misreads the ATIS & sets up for 05L instead of 05R. TRI doesn't pickup that anything is wrong. It all starts going bad when they realise that they are being vectored for 05R. They are visual, so the F/O lines up visually & is fully stabilised. The TRI then calls for a missed approach at low altitude, as he is unhappy with the fact that they haven't briefed for this runway. The F/O defers to authority & complies, but has no tracking in the FMC or on the ND to follow. He is not aware that the chart for 05R is on the back of the 05L chart. He waits for tracking instructions from TRI. TRI is on the radio arguing with ATC over radar vectors. The F/O continues straight ahead, still waiting for tracking directions from the PNF (TRI). The TRI eventually convinces ATC to provide radar vectors.
The problem is that the missed approach off 05R calls for a right turn at 800' & they are now way past this point. However, the aircraft was never in any danger, there was no breakdown in seperation with any other aircraft & at no time did they come close to terrain.
TRI debriefs F/O at hotel. F/O goes on to pass his clearance to line check a few days later.
The company then finds aut about it & calls the crew in to discuss the incident. The F/O has his successful clearance to line check voided & he is told that remedial training is required - some sims & more line training & then another CTL check.
While he was waiting for that to be scheduled he receives an e-mail from the company requiring his presence at a disciplinary hearing in a few days time. Shortly after this hearing he is sacked. He appeals, but the appeal is rejected.
So he heads home soon. Because emirates requires you to quit your previous job before starting with them, he had to beg for his old job back. Unfortunately that fell on deaf ears as there is currently a recruiting ban in his old airline due to the tough economic times at the moment. So he has no job.
He & his family have been financially ruined by Emirates. They have to sell their house & borrow money from family to pay their debts to Emirates & the bank in Dubai, so they can leave the country & not be thrown in jail. He lost Dhs30,000 alone on the car he had purchased. Emirates is entitled to the training bond even if they sack you. You also have to pay back the furniture allowance (30,000) & the car loan if you took it. They can also give you only 1 weeks notice if they so desire.
So beware! Being a trainee will not protect you at Emirates when you make a small mistake or the TRI stuffs up. Because you have to quit your old job before you start here, you will have nothing to go back to if it all goes wrong.
Think things through very carefully!
A guy arrives, all excited ready to commence his new career. Gets put in a villa under the flightpath, a mile or two from the runway. No curfew here, so aircraft going over 24/7. Lack of sleep starts to hamper his concentation & training.
Gets through the sim OK though & starts line training. Things are looking good. On his last line training flight he gets paired with a TRI who is a DEC & has only been with the company less than two & a half years. He is flying into Manchester & has never been there before (don't know about the TRI). This is sector 9 (thats right - you only get 10 sectors of line training!).
He misreads the ATIS & sets up for 05L instead of 05R. TRI doesn't pickup that anything is wrong. It all starts going bad when they realise that they are being vectored for 05R. They are visual, so the F/O lines up visually & is fully stabilised. The TRI then calls for a missed approach at low altitude, as he is unhappy with the fact that they haven't briefed for this runway. The F/O defers to authority & complies, but has no tracking in the FMC or on the ND to follow. He is not aware that the chart for 05R is on the back of the 05L chart. He waits for tracking instructions from TRI. TRI is on the radio arguing with ATC over radar vectors. The F/O continues straight ahead, still waiting for tracking directions from the PNF (TRI). The TRI eventually convinces ATC to provide radar vectors.
The problem is that the missed approach off 05R calls for a right turn at 800' & they are now way past this point. However, the aircraft was never in any danger, there was no breakdown in seperation with any other aircraft & at no time did they come close to terrain.
TRI debriefs F/O at hotel. F/O goes on to pass his clearance to line check a few days later.
The company then finds aut about it & calls the crew in to discuss the incident. The F/O has his successful clearance to line check voided & he is told that remedial training is required - some sims & more line training & then another CTL check.
While he was waiting for that to be scheduled he receives an e-mail from the company requiring his presence at a disciplinary hearing in a few days time. Shortly after this hearing he is sacked. He appeals, but the appeal is rejected.
So he heads home soon. Because emirates requires you to quit your previous job before starting with them, he had to beg for his old job back. Unfortunately that fell on deaf ears as there is currently a recruiting ban in his old airline due to the tough economic times at the moment. So he has no job.
He & his family have been financially ruined by Emirates. They have to sell their house & borrow money from family to pay their debts to Emirates & the bank in Dubai, so they can leave the country & not be thrown in jail. He lost Dhs30,000 alone on the car he had purchased. Emirates is entitled to the training bond even if they sack you. You also have to pay back the furniture allowance (30,000) & the car loan if you took it. They can also give you only 1 weeks notice if they so desire.
So beware! Being a trainee will not protect you at Emirates when you make a small mistake or the TRI stuffs up. Because you have to quit your old job before you start here, you will have nothing to go back to if it all goes wrong.
Think things through very carefully!
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330 dec emirates
hi guys,
had applied for dec(direct entry capt) a330 emirates as am already flying it.was informed that i am shortlisted and in the pool.kindly advise the approx waiting period.any and all other pertinent information will be highly appreciated.
thanks in advance,
Rahul.
had applied for dec(direct entry capt) a330 emirates as am already flying it.was informed that i am shortlisted and in the pool.kindly advise the approx waiting period.any and all other pertinent information will be highly appreciated.
thanks in advance,
Rahul.