Dune

For the life of me, I cannot understand how any mid-level manager
("Capt" Ed Davidson following in the shoes of his mentor "Capt" Alan Stealey) with any sense of integrity can look at himself in the mirror each and every morning while continuing to support this crap that comes from his EK flight operations office almost weekly now.

The lack of honesty and integrity in the middle management of this airline is truly the most appalling I have witnessed in 28 years of flying. Keep up the good work boys.

Irrespective of Ed's total lack of integrity, can anyone confirm that there will be a further restriction on the maximum number of consecutive days off in a row that will be allowed (I've seen 6 printed here) in addition to the 14 days off per month ceiling that will be allowed.

Ed's email refers to the max/month but does not make mention of the max number of days off in a row that has been purported here. Anyone know?

Dune

Unreal.........I had penned and posted my question and almost simultaneously the details are emerging. This really says it all.

Unless we forget......this airline is going to make a BILLION DOLLARS OF PROFIT THIS YEAR. And for that, our "management" will receive record profit share due to the prostituted nature of our "bonus scheme" and their actions over the past few months. They are going to **** you and much more importantly your family because..........they can.........and because it will continue.......and because they "know" there is nothing you can do about it.

I have not seen my roster yet for March but given the above post I assume I will be treated the same.............if so, singularly the most important changes to our undocumented "terms and conditions" since any one of us joined this circus has now changed irrevocably for the worst.

IMHO, each of us now individually has 3 choices; some will submit their resignation forthwith (1%), some will accept whatever is forced down their throat for the remainder of their "career" here (70%), or some will stay for the interim and "tit-for-tat" this bullshit decision (as we have no other choice given our environment in the UAE and within EK) until the next job is in hand.

Your choice gents.....I have for the first time since I joined this outfit now chosen #3..........I was one of those "guys" who went the extra mile for this airline and tried to be as productive and professional as possible. Not that I had any loyalty toward these a$$holes because I recognized years ago loyalty in this outfit did not extend both ways; but I really wanted to hope I was a part of a "team" and if I supported it I would ultimately benefit. In the past it worked.......now it does not.

Bottom line EK management: you **** with me and you **** with my family......I **** with you. Manipulating our days off will cost you many times more than you can imagine.......the ability for pilots to contol productivity and costs within an airline has been well documented by our "leaders". And if that attitude is multiplied even in small amounts across this entire network it will cost you many times more than you think you've gained by this crap you've pulled.

Sorry for the rant guys but the bottom line: you as management in this airline have totally lost the aspects of leadership that inspire subordinates to endeavor to perform to the best of their abilities. In short, you are a$$holes and you need to start treating your professional pilots with a degree of dignity and professional respect that they are deserving of. Until then, I can assure you the productivity of each and every member of your pilot workforce will decline each and every day (as it already has over the past 6 months) and will ultimately become an anchor on your pursuit of that next greater bonus.....profit target......productivity goal.........etc.

Rant over.

C.V. being prepared.

Can't wait to leave this circus.


Dune

Dune

I have spoken to Ed on previous matters (and also to others that have done the same)......he stonewalled my concerns so he didn't have to address them. He is not an "honest and working man"..........he is a cog in this "system" with no intention to change things for the better.

Sorry for "shooting you down if you are wrong" but I have been there/done that. My integrity is intact......his is not.

SOPS

is this the crisis point??....has it reached the point of no return?

Craic Ore

I would totally agree Dune and although I have been lucky enough to not have any dealings with Ed, he has not answered my questions and he has OUTRIGHT LIED to friends of mine.

He's just a yes man who's dealing down from above. He sold his soul to the devil that's a paycheck and tax status that gives him way more than he would've had back home. Hopefully one day all these clowns will fall with the house of cards they have built - they seem more and more deserving every day.

Btw, yes, it's confirmed, max 6 days in a row off, covered my manual insertions by the planners. Another lie that they're afraid to pass on.

Marooned

Forget about Ed, he's muppet just like TCAS.

This is the same guy who, when defending the days off string reduction under the banner of 'safety', then tried to defend the seychelles turn-around and IAH 24 hr... he's a bl**dy hypocrite.

His tenuous defence was that 'he would act before being forced to do so by the GCAA in response to complaints from the lower bid groups to the extra work they had to do whilst the top two had less... the fact that he could not mention who or how many had complained raised suspicions. Facts like the top two groups would fly ULR to fly the hours required to get the days off in the first place and that it was a state of affairs that is generally accepted exactly because you could get extra days off were ignored.

Why didn't he ask the pilots in the first place? We can do LOSAs but actually ask the pilots their opinion on a major change to terms and conditions? Silence...

Duty of care? None seen or sadly expected these days.

FcU

Please! somebody who knows the process of reporting to the IRS do so now! This F*** will be so busy trying to lie his way out of jail that he wont have time to publish anymore bullshit!! Consider it a patriotic duty to finance the ongoing local expedition.

I think this may be the gun brought to Ed's knife fight.

BYMONEK

Thylakoid

I agree with you on that. It was through their constant effort and persuasion that we got the LOSA agreed. Those at the top were very much against it I believe.

It's just a shame we can't overcome the EK PR machine and get the outcome of our own incidents posted on the portal instead of Air France's. I'd happily troll through 140 pages of a report if it involved us, but not another Airline.

ShockWave

What they want is for every bid group to be working the absolute maximum number of hours, from top to bottom. It will be the only way the aircraft are crewed. Bottom feeders will still be overworked despite Ed's concern for their health!!!!

Internationalpilot

just press 2. Easier than that...

GMDS

Absolutely. I never felt like that, allthough i have been shafted before. But never to that hypocritical, almost obscene level.
Press 2 becomes a must, not only for your health, but just as much to give the guys on reserve the money they deserve.
Thank you to the brainless idiot who introduced the flight pay: You made a sickie a social act.

LR 3

Hi all,

When we all look at an airline to join we take into account the pay, rostering, equipment etc and they take a look at you and if they see what they like they give you a job.
In a real country with real labour laws they don't or I should say can't just change the goal posts as they see fit.
You sign a contract in good faith,knowing you will have to keep your side of the bargin(or get sacked) and hoping they will keep theirs.
We all joined EK knowing what the deal is.
If you work hard in the bottom bid months you get rewarded when at the top with lots of days off to do with what you will.
Where was the negotiation that should have taken place regarding days off.
Yes thats right, there wasn't any.
They have just gone and changed my conditions of employment without even consulting me.
It would have been a little easier to swallow if they had of just said "guys we are a little short on crew at the moment so can you give us a few extra hours for O/T".
Instead a bunch of bullshit about fatigue in the bottom bid groups.
Spare me please.
If they gave a shit about fatigue they would can the MRU min rest immediately.

So as morality is non existant in the EK sandpit I have just lost mine as well.
JUST PRESS 2 and keep pressing until they get the message because if you don't the next thing will be 12 days off max and so on.

By the way anyone thinking of joining EK ask someone who works there what all this is about and then think long and hard about what you are getting yourself into.