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Old 9th Apr 2013, 14:24   #6201 (permalink)
 
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Old 9th Apr 2013, 14:48   #6202 (permalink)
 
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Old 9th Apr 2013, 15:48   #6203 (permalink)
 
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Old 9th Apr 2013, 17:46   #6204 (permalink)
 
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PAT test?

Hi everyone,

I have been invited back to doha to do a PAT assessment. Does anyone have information regarding this test, what exactly it involves?

All i could find on this thread was that it includes psyc test and some one posted a link to a symbioticsltd.com website, that only has a FAST test available. Any links for prep would be nice!

I would appreciate if anyone can shed some light on the test, if it is the same for all positions (i am SO) and how important it really is for new joiners.

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Old 10th Apr 2013, 02:49   #6205 (permalink)
 
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I still don't understand how a person can prepare for a psychometric exam, isn't the entire point to test who you are as a person i.e. your psychology? How exactly do you prepare for that? Go to a shrink? Meditate, improve your mental well being? If all that is going to happen is that people are going to get the test before hand and then "learn" how to pass it the entire exercise is going to be fruitless.
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Old 10th Apr 2013, 07:30   #6206 (permalink)
 
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CTC announces Qatar and easyJet MPL programmes

Here's the link.

They do not say how many MPL's will go to QR, but from a previous article in the Flight Training News, if I remember correctly, its about 60+ per year.
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Old 10th Apr 2013, 10:02   #6207 (permalink)
 
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avs2002ie

They called u back for the psy test ? When was your interview ? Was is for SO ? If so then great news cause i heard from the office that there are no more vacancies for SO's in 2013/2014 , they had the test few years ago apparently isn't hard just be yourself , read the question properly and dont try to lie, youll be asked the same question twice or more sometimes differently so make sure the answers are more or less the same, ill pm you if i find the test.. Gd luck
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Old 11th Apr 2013, 16:59   #6208 (permalink)
 
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Old 11th Apr 2013, 19:28   #6209 (permalink)
 
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Avs,
Please DO NOT understimate the PAT test. A MINIMUM of 8 out of 10 upgrades/initial entries/endorsement pilots FAIL the PAT every month all over the world.
In Qatar I believe the failure rate is a bit higher.
So please be prepared.
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Old 11th Apr 2013, 21:01   #6210 (permalink)
 
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So who are having to do the PAT test and does that include those with contracts and start dates?
Or is the PAT test for new applications to join QA?

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Old 11th Apr 2013, 21:24   #6211 (permalink)
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Currently guys are getting called in to do the test even after type rating and prior to their line training. For line guys it's only for promotions and fleet transfers. I'm told there is a handbook and the test is full on and shouldn't be underestimated.
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Old 12th Apr 2013, 08:28   #6212 (permalink)


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hi everyone i just wanted to know if anyone could tell me that after clearing the medicals how long it takes to get the confirmation mail?!?!???? i got
my medical clearance back in 5th of march but since then no reply yet..
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Old 12th Apr 2013, 17:54   #6213 (permalink)
 
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PAT-Tread carefully!

Scruff,
Eventually it will be EVERYONE flying for Qatar Airways who is ever looking at a transition/upgrade/admin or training post.
Currently ALL new hires will have to do the test. May not be immediate, but it WILL have to be passed eventually.
I'm sure someone will eventually come out with a software to mimick it close enough to get thru with 'pass marks'. Whatever that means.
But for now, and the next few months every pilot doing the PAT test will have to 'do it as it comes'. Seeing this result over a given period of time the Managment might tweak it a bit eitherways to 'suit' their personal requirements.
Till then its my very best to the all of you trying for it! And you're all gonna need it.
I know for a fact, as F14 pointed out correctly that this is not a test to underestimate or take lightly. Quite the contrary....!!!
Five screens, a joystick and a thrust lever can make 2.5 hrs the worst 2.5 hours of your entire aviation career. The actual test is only about 2.5 hrs but the Pre flight briefing lasts about one hour and then the post flight brief plus the video playback will take another hour and a half.
So be prepared to have the most confused and stressed out 5 hours of your life!
At the end, the results are quite satisfying.
It has enough weightage by itself to pass or fail your interview or assessment or upgrade. It's ALL about work and time Managment and loads of IQ and math problems.
But, all in all a very interesting test indeed!
Especially if you pass it...!!
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Old 12th Apr 2013, 18:12   #6214 (permalink)
 
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King on a wing,

What kind of math questions?
Examples..
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Old 12th Apr 2013, 18:57   #6215 (permalink)
 
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A MINIMUM of 8 out of 10 upgrades/initial entries/endorsement pilots FAIL the PAT every month all over the world.
In Qatar I believe the failure rate is a bit higher.

Do I get it correct? Failure rate 80% all over the world and in Qatar a bit higher! That means around 90% do not pass the test. If this is true what does the PAT test prove?
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Old 12th Apr 2013, 21:21   #6216 (permalink)
 
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Thanks King On the wing for update.When you say pass does that mean if you fail they will terminate your contract?
As new recruits who have there start dates and contracts,I can't imagine QA revoking the contract because of a failed PAT test?
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Old 12th Apr 2013, 21:26   #6217 (permalink)
 
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Another question about the PAT test.Is it pass or fail or an instrument to see how an individual will cope with a type change/ training position or command.
I can't imagine QA would give offers of employment to captains and first officers and then send them away due to a poor PAT test result?
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Old 12th Apr 2013, 21:38   #6218 (permalink)


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Qatar Airways

Hello, I was hoping one of you could guide me towards Qatar Airways. I've lived in the middle east and had heard about Qatar recruiting young pilots, I just finished Pilot school and can't seem to find anything for non-Qataris. Any ideas?

thanks.
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Old 13th Apr 2013, 17:33   #6219 (permalink)
 
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PAT-Test

... my last information is (was) Qatar uses the so called Compass test. PAT should be new, I've made some Video Clips during an exhibition in London last year from the modules but I'm unsure wether you can place them on youtube (is it legal?). It seems very similar to commonly used tests.

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Old 14th Apr 2013, 11:07   #6220 (permalink)
 
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Normal Second Officer (no experience) hiring is done at QR for now. They will be starting an MPL/cadet Program with CTC, to train their own nationals and to train those who apply directly for the program. There are a few SOs that were interviewed last year who passed the selection and are now being given start dates.

The PAT is NOT the COMPASS test.
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