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Old 23rd Oct 2012, 09:15   #5561 (permalink)
 
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Thats true....I fly for QR for a year now and most of my friends and me had the same experience....longer you wait better news you get.
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Old 23rd Oct 2012, 09:24   #5562 (permalink)
 
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hello, are u happy to live in Doha, how is live, what about ur family ?
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Old 23rd Oct 2012, 14:19   #5563 (permalink)
 
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Well I'm a single guy in Doha....and its pretty nice to be around. The living standards are expensive so are the house accommodations. The company is not giving accommodation for now, but the money is enough to get an apartment outside.

If you every get board Dubai is next door and there is 10 flights a day.
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Old 23rd Oct 2012, 16:51   #5564 (permalink)
 
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ah ok, so they don't give u accommodation, but they give u a extra money for it right ?

there is so many cabin craw single, how comes u are single ? ;-)
(kidding!)
ps: tks for ur reply
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Old 23rd Oct 2012, 18:03   #5565 (permalink)
 
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QR Interview

Hii there...
i invited to QR interview on July ..and the interview is done on the End of Sep ...till now no news and no one contaced me.
Am applied for S/O Fast track position /3000 Hrs Turbo-P) .The selcetion proccess as following.:
50 questions -MCQ's
Paned interview-face to face with assessors and HR officer.
Finaly Simulator assessment on A320 -New arrived-Class-D ../Amazing !!

That set...
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Old 24th Oct 2012, 08:07   #5566 (permalink)
 
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If you are a single guy, there is girls around.... but you will have to pay to go to alot of clubs on the nights girls may go there.

so if you get caught or even rumored to have "screwed the crew" you may as well pack your bags as you will be sacked no questions asked.

Its certainly no Dubai, but no Saudi Arabia either.

Its a mostly boring place entertainment wise.... generally, but its tolerable mostly.
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Old 24th Oct 2012, 13:00   #5567 (permalink)
 
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Hi all,

just wanted to ask if anybody could send me via PM some numbers of the HR department agent which is responsible for the hiring process. I interviewed as FT S/O in April, got good news in June and the FD Talent Pool mail the end of June. Since then nothing new. Even on emails via the fdtalent adress no response.

Greetings and thanks a lot in advance,

ER.
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Old 24th Oct 2012, 14:26   #5568 (permalink)
 
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.....

they have said update end of November ....soooooo we stil have 4 weeks to go ...

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Old 24th Oct 2012, 19:00   #5569 (permalink)
 
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Quote:
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so if you get caught or even rumored to have "screwed the crew" you may as well pack your bags as you will be sacked no questions asked.
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But... Do you have to pay the bond in this case if u are still bonded?
YES !!!
Even if you think your a smarty pants, you wont interpret it the same as "they" will (managment and/or legal system); and it wont come out in your favour

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Old 25th Oct 2012, 10:45   #5570 (permalink)
 
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QATAR AIRWAYS?

Only, and only if, desperate and with no jobs I hear that.

Many ''here'' come from ''there'' who quit the place, Captain's are joining ''here'' too, and we are just across the sea! We hear so many ''fecked up stories'' it is almost embarrassing... No planning seems to be happening out of their offices and every day is a mess with initial training and with crewing the aircraft.

Do your homework very thoroughly if you have the chance!

Qatar will be a better option than the Far East for sure (except maybe Cathay and that is only if you are willing to wait for your Command 20 years, more or less, and live in HK).

Otherwise, Etihad, Emirates and Fly Dubai are the way to go if interested and curious about the ME.
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Old 26th Oct 2012, 15:53   #5571 (permalink)
 
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Is EK (still) a closed door for Qatar Airways pilots?
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Old 27th Oct 2012, 10:26   #5572 (permalink)
 
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What I have heard, NO!
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Old 27th Oct 2012, 14:20   #5573 (permalink)
 
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Looking at the thread with QR putting on 3 more routes to the US next year, it is almost inevitable for the pilots that are in the pool to get call.....more routes=more planes, more pilots.
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Old 27th Oct 2012, 19:24   #5574 (permalink)
 
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More routes, more planes, 'soon' a new airport ... will be a shortage of pilots for the next decade at least!
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Old 28th Oct 2012, 20:44   #5575 (permalink)
 
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Dear Av8whore,

As much as I tried not to link your name to the way you wrote on this forum, i couldn't. I'm not even sure you are a true pilot. I think you are just a outcast, whose being unprofessional.

I dare about everything you have wrote about QR. I even double dare you! But I want to discuss it. There is no such thing as random pilot sacking. Unless your unprepared all the time, bad on SOP, screw around with cabin crew! then you WILL be sacked. Stop spreading rumors about this. There are 2500 pilots in QR that have there families and life here in Qatar. All doing a good job and getting paid good for it.
As for the interview. It seem from your attitude, that's the way you applied. And couldn't make it from there
I'm in QR for 2 yrs now. I don't complain but I call it a job. That pays good and takes care of my family. I do my job to the end and go home! Always showing professional attitude.

Last I want to say to you! EVERYONE HAS A DESTINY, BUT NOT ALL CHOOSE TO FOLLOW IT. I'M JUST GLAD I DID......I LOVE MY JOB

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Old 28th Oct 2012, 21:55   #5576 (permalink)
 
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Bravo Fishbath...Very well said..
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Old 29th Oct 2012, 02:42   #5577 (permalink)
 
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So will they really fire you for dating cabin crew? I'm not talking about banging all of them... I'm just talking about dating one.
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Old 29th Oct 2012, 02:55   #5578 (permalink)
 
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I'm sure others will be able to give you better insight as I never did any of it, but I don't think it's as bad as you hear.
The CS on one of my flights earlier this month was dating another crew for 2 years.
Just got permission for marriage, and they're also moving In together.
A lot of my FOs get busy with crew on layovers and stuff.
I think it's a few UNLUCKY guys that get it bad, and everyone keeps remembering those stories.

Wrap up okay.
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Old 29th Oct 2012, 07:31   #5579 (permalink)
 
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Dating the cabin crew have come up alot lately and have to add to this:

YOU WILL GET SACKED, if you screw the crew.... simple.
YES YOU CAN screw the crew, yes you can DATE the crew, but you have to be VERY low down on the whole thing, especially around other cabin crew, as alot have a telling the upper management streak (aka spies).... yes unfortunately they are usually indian, but can be others.

Its not like any western society/airline where they dont care.

As to the pilot/cabin crew getting married..... yes that is true but they had to keep their relationship very quiet for most of two years first.... then I believe that one of them will quit, leave, get married then come back into the country..... I think thats how it works....... either way, its not as simple as rocking up with your flight attendant girlie/wife2be on your arm when you go to work.... I hope people find it weird that you have to GET PERMISSION to get married from the CEO...... hmmmmm

apart from that, this place is a forum; those who shoot down others opinions of this place are being foolish.

QR is FULL of good AND Bad........ unfortunately more so of the later.
It is correct to say money is good here; But is it worth the frustration of dealing with incompetant staff on the backend, maybe not?..... half the time it wont effect you; but when it does its a pain to sort things out! that goes for Doha in general and for QR.

Money is not the only judge of if its good here though
.... and these issues have been said COUNTLESS times before in this thread..

I have many friends in Emirates, and to tell you the truth, it shites all over QR, for one simple fact..... EVERYTHING works! Its set up to be easy for the crew/pilots...... driven to work, everything is at your fingertips when you walk into dispatch building (laundry, mail services, banking), the staff/crew website is just a dream with ability to do things that QR need 15 logins/websites for!
Yeah yeah, for those fan boys about to say go there instead.....dont worry

I'm trying to give you an idea of the difference between QR and other airlines so you can see normally not see in hope that taints you to reality here! Expect none of the smoothness of emirates/western airlines.

Some of the problems you will face is that training, especially for widebody is almost at a holt..... actually its the same for 320 as well.... if you come as a S/O..... (fast track or not) expect at least 10months minimum to be trained.... and thats being nice to QR!!!! (so if your a starry eyed, jets are my life guy, then you better be a rich arab or have some $$$$$ behind you b4 you come).

Maybe the numbers will pick up closer to the NDIA opening.

There is NO communication on alot of things here. And if they add something different, they wont advise you of where, so if you break a rule, you can get disciplined very easily without have much of a recourse because "you should have known"! Believe me, even if the office screws up there is a good chance you will cop a disipled letter.

Leave can get cancelled at anytime here; or given to you with not generally much of a recourse. So if you plan a holiday and pay for it.... then whamo.... too bad so sad.... "sorry captain"..... and thats even if they reply to your email or answer the phone.
This happens a fair amount and IS NOT a rare thing.

YES they do sack people. Good reasons and BAD reasons as well. Simple.... there is no union, no protection. But if you are a good mannered person it should, generally not be a problem explaining yourself, but good luck with that anyways.

Constantly changing SOP's are a problem... and so are alot of the OM manuals; for the most part they are ingrained in how you do the job, but they, especially for the guys on the 320, change almost every week. Nobody proof reads it before it comes out, and just as they fix some issues, only for other mistakes to come up.... its a shame, and really think at the end of the day, an unsafe practice which you have to question the mental grasp of the people approving this.
If anything, they need to employ a Aviation Tech writer to review all materials and remove ambiguity and other nonsense added in to really make it an easier sops/OM to learn..... hint hint

Yes the above guy is right..... But there is only just on 2000 pilots.... not 2500!
Attritionrate is HIGH..... almost at 8% by the change in joining numbers.
aka.... 40 777 F/O's went to a place across the water (is that making anyone think why???)
Many reasons for this; but mostly its a frustrating place to live if you need to get things done; the company can be frustrating, they generally dont communicate and its hard to get an answer for anything unless you go in and see somebody; and its kinda a boring place really..... in saying that, i dont mind it a little, but you always will be needing to get out of the place for a break!

Those on the hold file; I believe there is a thread for this as this is for people wanting to know about joining, not waiting.
But the good news for you is that yes, you prob will get called at some stage, expect those with alot of experience/typed to be called sooner (Jan-April '13) and those starry eyed jet job guys to be called later..... at least March '13 onwards.... If I were you, I would STAY in your current job until a firm offer came up or if another job that was good came up I would take that! Remeber, you may not even get called!
There is a good chance that it will take a LONG time between getting here and earning your $$$ so start saving as much as you can! your going to need at least 10k if your single and 20k if your married. Thats a good buffer against any unexpected costs which you DONT get told about at the interview.

ok, thats it for now.... remember, theres a good side, a bad side and the side that you dont expect!
Good luck!

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Old 29th Oct 2012, 07:54   #5580 (permalink)
 
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Av8whore,


OK you're not happy with QR. So please leave the company (if you are in), and let me take your seat ...

What would you do if you were jobless, not type rated, with 3 young children (6 months, 4 yrs and 8 yrs) ?...

I have been flying for the last 22 years, and being out of work today with the current economical situation in Europe is definitely not a good position !

QR is for me a fantastic opportunity to FLY !
but not only flying, flying big jets in a big company with various possibilities for my family (learn english, having some house keeping, big house, travelling, discovering the world).

OK, for me, it won't be a funny and relaxed party. But I don't mind. I am a professionnal pilot and I am able to cope with this undoubtedly. I had some hard times in the past with demanding instructors. If you work hard and show your professionalism, I am sure you get through. Or you are unlucky. But everybody knows that you need to be lucky in this job ... What do I risk ? loosing my future job ? I have no job today. So ...

Where are the good companies that pay well and are tolerant on your mistakes today ?... not that many. Because major companies from Europe and the US who used to be the good ones to be in, are now struggling to keep competitive. They do not recuit anymore like in the past.

The new companies are the ME and Asia ones. Simply because they have less taxes, cheaper fuel, lower salaries, and younger employees, eager to fly and not able to complaint. Is there any strikes in the ME ?!!! for sure not !
They used to be many in Europe or the USA, remember ...


interviewed beginning of Feb 2012 ...
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