EK Resignations
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Is it just my computer or has the facility to see who (and how many) have resigned - using RG on the duty code - been removed?
Was working a few days ago but now doesn't seem to want to. The RR code - removed from roster - still seems to work.
Was working a few days ago but now doesn't seem to want to. The RR code - removed from roster - still seems to work.
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Don't blame your computer, it's your computer skills... hehe 
Still there, they only removed the last day of the month for these guys, so if you look at the 29th, you can still see 3 local guys and 1 English sounding bloke can stop working in September...
MR8
Still there, they only removed the last day of the month for these guys, so if you look at the 29th, you can still see 3 local guys and 1 English sounding bloke can stop working in September...
MR8
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Help getting out of EK?
Hi Guys,
Just wanting a little info on getting the hell out of here.
1. What's the story with the bond if you haven't completed your 3 yrs?
2. Is it an easy process?
3. I know EK are in breach of contract (well mine anyway). Can anyone give any reasons to back up my early retirement?ie reasons why I shold not have to pay the bond? I have a good list but anything else would be appreciated. eg FTDL
4. Any need to get a attorney involved?
Cheers to all. I think this place is going t......ties up
DC
Just wanting a little info on getting the hell out of here.
1. What's the story with the bond if you haven't completed your 3 yrs?
2. Is it an easy process?
3. I know EK are in breach of contract (well mine anyway). Can anyone give any reasons to back up my early retirement?ie reasons why I shold not have to pay the bond? I have a good list but anything else would be appreciated. eg FTDL
4. Any need to get a attorney involved?
Cheers to all. I think this place is going t......ties up
DC
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But at the recent fleet meetings they said everything was going well... 
The cabin crew have some good techniques if you're planning on doing a runner. Mainly the English, I believe.
The cabin crew have some good techniques if you're planning on doing a runner. Mainly the English, I believe.
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Perhaps the FO's who have recently left can enlighten those still at Ek as to what the penalties were for breaking the bond. Have any got out of the repayment and is there good cause to do so? There are many that I am aware of who are only here due to the constraints of the bond. How does it stand up legally considering the Ek may be in breach. The contract is very vague as to specifics...deliberately so I'm sure, but that doesn't give the company carte blanche to do what they like. Any good lawyers ready to take on this one?
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Mach-Hog
I would rather have the door hit me on the arse on the way out then have it severely violated over the next couple of years my good friend!!!!!
Ran out of KY long time ago in this industry.
I would rather have the door hit me on the arse on the way out then have it severely violated over the next couple of years my good friend!!!!!
Ran out of KY long time ago in this industry.
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Dunecoon,
Spot on Mate! Mach-Hog is from Canada and obviously in La-La Land. He tripled his salary by coming here and does not want to hear any criticism about "his" airline. If he choose not to fly for free over in the Great White North he might have a different perspective on the airline industry. Like how a real airline works, pays its pilots and treats its employees.
As for the training bond. Don't let that stop you from getting out of here. That piece of crap is not worth the paper it is printed on and probably illegal in most civilized countries.
Good luck to you.
Spot on Mate! Mach-Hog is from Canada and obviously in La-La Land. He tripled his salary by coming here and does not want to hear any criticism about "his" airline. If he choose not to fly for free over in the Great White North he might have a different perspective on the airline industry. Like how a real airline works, pays its pilots and treats its employees.
As for the training bond. Don't let that stop you from getting out of here. That piece of crap is not worth the paper it is printed on and probably illegal in most civilized countries.
Good luck to you.
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Dunecoon ...
Having taken a former employer to court on the bond issue ( and losing
) , the best info is to go to your country of nationality and seek info from a lawyer. Unfortunately, Canadian law takes a very dim view on those who try to walk on training bonds.
LHR Rain ...
The Canadian industry is in great disarray and to many ( including me ) the situation at EK looks alot better than we have gone through back home ( those from C3 / Royal / Jetsgo can agree with me on this one ). Weve simply gotten tired of not being able to plan and hold a long term career.
See ya ...
FB519
Having taken a former employer to court on the bond issue ( and losing
) , the best info is to go to your country of nationality and seek info from a lawyer. Unfortunately, Canadian law takes a very dim view on those who try to walk on training bonds.LHR Rain ...
The Canadian industry is in great disarray and to many ( including me ) the situation at EK looks alot better than we have gone through back home ( those from C3 / Royal / Jetsgo can agree with me on this one ). Weve simply gotten tired of not being able to plan and hold a long term career.
See ya ...
FB519
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I left recently, I paid the bond, for a couple of reasons;
a. Although I took home legal advice and was told there would be no difficulty at all challenging it at home - the legal type did say 'but you have to get home first' - kind of a chicken and egg situation.
b. The legal type then said it would be better to clear it all up prior to leaving the UAE, which means local lawyer - v expensive and frankly, you can't be sure you'd ever get it tidied up to your satisfaction.
c. You can offset your provident fund balance against your liabilities so, although you won't walk with the cash you can soften the blow.
d. I jumped a bond once before and the employer made sure my next employer knew about it, as it happens I had preempted the situation by advising them of the circumstances so it was a bit of a damp squib - but could have been untidy.
e. You jump bond in the UAE and ever end up passing back through here standby for some drama - you can be sure they'll get you somehow.
One thing that did become apparent when I spoke to the lawyer was that in order to make your claim against the compnay completely watertight you should send a written letter to them, in a timely manner, after every perceived change to your terms and conditions registering your displeasure/objection to the change - if you do nothing it could be perceived as tacit approval.
If it's any consolation, paying to leave was the best thing I've ever done - now feel about 15 years younger and I have absolutley no regrets about going.
PM me if you have any other Q's
a. Although I took home legal advice and was told there would be no difficulty at all challenging it at home - the legal type did say 'but you have to get home first' - kind of a chicken and egg situation.
b. The legal type then said it would be better to clear it all up prior to leaving the UAE, which means local lawyer - v expensive and frankly, you can't be sure you'd ever get it tidied up to your satisfaction.
c. You can offset your provident fund balance against your liabilities so, although you won't walk with the cash you can soften the blow.
d. I jumped a bond once before and the employer made sure my next employer knew about it, as it happens I had preempted the situation by advising them of the circumstances so it was a bit of a damp squib - but could have been untidy.
e. You jump bond in the UAE and ever end up passing back through here standby for some drama - you can be sure they'll get you somehow.
One thing that did become apparent when I spoke to the lawyer was that in order to make your claim against the compnay completely watertight you should send a written letter to them, in a timely manner, after every perceived change to your terms and conditions registering your displeasure/objection to the change - if you do nothing it could be perceived as tacit approval.
If it's any consolation, paying to leave was the best thing I've ever done - now feel about 15 years younger and I have absolutley no regrets about going.
PM me if you have any other Q's
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FlyBoy,
No doubt that the Canadian airline industry is in the toilet much like the rest of the world. What I have a problem with is that most of the Canadians don't want to "rock the boat" and stand up for anything. Just this week we had two Canadians leave for JFK 3 1/2 hours late. This is a huge problem as you can imagine. The relief Captain who was from SA told SMNC that he was not going and booked off. I fully realize that we do not have a union here but when you leave DXB already into discretion that is no way to get the rightful 4 pilots on the trip. Plus you are not suppose to use discretion leaving your home base. So these Canadians were on duty for over 18 hours. Clearly that is unacceptable and I am sure that you will agree with me on this one.
Just because you make more money here does not mean you should be treated bably or accept such behaviour. Otherwise you are just a highly paid prostitute. The money is good (better that at home) so I will put up with said treatment. That just does not fly.
With regards to the bond the company is not going to sue you over the amount when they know it is questionable to begin with. A training bond is nothing more than an acknowledgement from the company that they are not paying what the industry does and they are going to use some artificial means to keep you were you are. Leave and let them sue you.
No doubt that the Canadian airline industry is in the toilet much like the rest of the world. What I have a problem with is that most of the Canadians don't want to "rock the boat" and stand up for anything. Just this week we had two Canadians leave for JFK 3 1/2 hours late. This is a huge problem as you can imagine. The relief Captain who was from SA told SMNC that he was not going and booked off. I fully realize that we do not have a union here but when you leave DXB already into discretion that is no way to get the rightful 4 pilots on the trip. Plus you are not suppose to use discretion leaving your home base. So these Canadians were on duty for over 18 hours. Clearly that is unacceptable and I am sure that you will agree with me on this one.
Just because you make more money here does not mean you should be treated bably or accept such behaviour. Otherwise you are just a highly paid prostitute. The money is good (better that at home) so I will put up with said treatment. That just does not fly.
With regards to the bond the company is not going to sue you over the amount when they know it is questionable to begin with. A training bond is nothing more than an acknowledgement from the company that they are not paying what the industry does and they are going to use some artificial means to keep you were you are. Leave and let them sue you.
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The actual FDP was 1825 the maxuim allowed even by EK without a ULR agreement is 1800, curently the JFK is using 3 pilots and no SULR , they did get another Capt and F/O so 4 pilots but still with the FTL max 1800, was lucky nothing happened, not to mention landing below div fuel 6000 kilos!!!!!!!
Must have had some good reason to get to JFK
Must have had some good reason to get to JFK
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LHR Rain - you missed the point slightly - if you don't settle your 'account' with the company (and that can include agreed repayment terms I'm told) - there is no way to leave other than by doing a 'midnight flit'
While for some this could (indeed has) worked, it's very untidy and you need to be sure that you are cognisent of the implications.
At times I was seriously tempted to hang up the uniform, box the manuals and pile the crappy company furniture into a bonfire but having considered the pro's and con's I just paid up and f'd off.
I got the impression from the pay office that very few have dodged the bond - but that could have just been b-s. Be aware you also get nailed for the balance on your housing account (if you've opted out) and the furnishing allowance - I offerred to pay them what I'd managed to sell my company furniture for - but as it was 10% of the amount they asked for it didn't go down too well!!
While for some this could (indeed has) worked, it's very untidy and you need to be sure that you are cognisent of the implications.
At times I was seriously tempted to hang up the uniform, box the manuals and pile the crappy company furniture into a bonfire but having considered the pro's and con's I just paid up and f'd off.
I got the impression from the pay office that very few have dodged the bond - but that could have just been b-s. Be aware you also get nailed for the balance on your housing account (if you've opted out) and the furnishing allowance - I offerred to pay them what I'd managed to sell my company furniture for - but as it was 10% of the amount they asked for it didn't go down too well!!
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Read Not From Here post. That sums it up in a very broad nutshell.
Two Canadians flew over the max duty time to JFK and then landed under the diversion fuel limit. Was this because they were tired and not thinking clearly?
We deserve some answers!
Two Canadians flew over the max duty time to JFK and then landed under the diversion fuel limit. Was this because they were tired and not thinking clearly?
We deserve some answers!
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Seems a bit weird to me.
Why would you leave knowing you would bust, and as far as fuel????????? Flight planning would seem to be the screw ups there. That being said you would be watching your fuel at each check point and see the problem with time to divert.
Not good guys!
Why would you leave knowing you would bust, and as far as fuel????????? Flight planning would seem to be the screw ups there. That being said you would be watching your fuel at each check point and see the problem with time to divert.
Not good guys!
