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Old 10th Apr 2006, 13:26   #21 (permalink)
 
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Reading this post with humour I had to comment....I don't get it... SurvivedJZR says it's all lies at Jazeera but everything he is complaining about seems to be just that, complaints and not lies. Education allowances, uniforms, staff travel, etc, etc, etc - if the company doesn't want to give them, then why fault them. Yeah it might not be ideal or in some cases fair but if you don't like it, leave then.

Anyway, that's my two cents worth!
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Old 10th Apr 2006, 16:28   #22 (permalink)
 
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SurvivedJZR...

...And why should a pilot as you, with wife and three kids, be entitled to more benefits [or pay] than a single pilot...? Needless to say, the amount of "baggage" that you bring along isn't the airline's responsibility.
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Old 11th Apr 2006, 22:29   #23 (permalink)
 
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Thumbs up truth is not what was posted

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also looking to get a job from the region so I find this kind of truths very interesting.We have heard stories from the both sides and I think it is your call now, survivedJZR
Sure, I will do. But since I am enjoying presently some vacations, I really do not want to waste too much time on this.

All what I said was true for my time being there AND since there are no details from MAX about salary-increasement, it looks like there is not any. It is easy to write down all those facts putting me in a bad shape. But most of them are not like I experienced them. Furthermore all the time it is easy to talk about upgrades which might come down the road FROM A CAPTAINs POINT OF VIEW. But I mentioned to have those upgrade-promise writtenly confirmed, so please MAX, if you post something, stay with the truth.

Just as an example, it is nice, that you say something about a car - if this matter belongs to the company, could you tell me, why nobody asked me from the company for it?

I guess, they do not like to face the problem of paying me for the last month and to pay a 3months notice and to reimburse my costs of some doctors visits in KUWAIT. By the way, are you health-insured by the company and got a reimbursement of your costs? I guess not but if so why do they not reimburse others docots bills?

I still wait for any investigation of that what is said "happened in BEIRUT". You were not with us, but it seamed, you got a briefing, what the company is saying, what has happened. FAIRNESS is something which does not take place in JZR and of course, for the company: it is more easy to invent some happenings for the company point of view instead of just showing a professional behaviour and pay a 3months notice.

By the way, which fact did you mention for those people being with JZR at the beginning? Meanwhile only 6 of 20 PILOTS are with JZR - what is YOUR STATEMENT about the fact that only 6 remained?

I do not want to give any "friendly advice" but those PILOT-colleagues outside JZR may vary their dicission on the comments in this FORUM. I am a very honest person and not a SHOWMAN - but I cannot understand why people can post lies while aming for other PILOTS to join this airline. Of course I am very sad for all my Ex-FO-colleagues, which can only get any upgrade, after enough (more than 21) FOs has joine the airline. YES it is bad for my ex-colleagues to post this, but it is the truth. And it is the decission of my ex-FO-colleagues to accept this situation, not mine.

For me a job does not mean only something - it has a lot of influence in many directions and I am not only talking for family reasons.

Sorry, but I (and ALL First Officer colleagues) cannot lie on their friends - or how would you comment the FACT that all of us First Officers had friends in other arlines who just waited to join JZR as we did and then to be in the line for the upgrade. But they waited for a proof ...... can you deny that nobody joined?

I could continue with a lot of others items - but I realized to spend more time than I wanted. Sure I will continue from home, to give others an idea of the situation ......
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Old 11th Apr 2006, 22:38   #24 (permalink)
 
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"ex college" is almost german , we call that mixing 'denglisch'(deutsch-englisch).
"Ex-Kollege" would be the german expression.
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Old 11th Apr 2006, 23:04   #25 (permalink)
 
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I am a regular reader of this page, what I do not understand and wish to know is why you the expat, once you are in a secured job you start looking for other. Have had meetings and discussions with many pilots and others, who came to the Gulf and mainly to Gulf air and then they find themselves joining other airlines,EK,QR,EY and those small ones. It's their right of course to move for better opportunities, but they must understand, that Gulf air is the institute of the aviation not only in the Arabian Gulf but in whole the Middle East.
I agree that Gulf air is not growing like others but, it's a reliable and organized, with secured and clean working environment.
Best of wishes for all: cool:
...it's a reliable and organized, with secured and clean working environment.

Say again please!
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Old 12th Apr 2006, 14:44   #26 (permalink)
 
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AND since there are no details from MAX about salary-increasement, it looks like there is not any
Ok pal,

You do keep insisting on knowing the salary increment, it’s of no use to you now, or are you having second thoughts? its quite childish to think I am only pulling your leg, after all a salary increment is not some thing you can imagine, and unlike you, I don’t have the nerve of making facts up and posting them on a public forum,

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Just as an example, it is nice, that you say something about a car - if this matter belongs to the company, could you tell me, why nobody asked me from the company for it?
It is quite bold of you on the other hand to confess on a public forum that you did actually conceal the car the company gave you, so the lesson your teaching us is that as long as people don’t miss there stuff, its okay to assume they don’t require it? Talk about decency

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I guess, they do not like to face the problem of paying me for the last month and to pay a 3months notice
I think you have an issue of reading and understanding contract phraseology, it is clearly stated in your contract that “IF YOUR EMPLOYMENT SHOULD BE TERMINATED BY THE COMPANY FOR ANY REASON OTHER THEN UNWILLFULL CONDUCT, YOU WIIL RECEIVE THREE MONTHS NOTICE”, and I reckon taking an aircraft hostage in an offshore destination can be regarded as unwillfull conduct, not to mention a crime, regardless of the fine details you assume I don’t have.

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By the way, which fact did you mention for those people being with JZR at the beginning? Meanwhile only 6 of 20 PILOTS are with JZR - what is YOUR STATEMENT about the fact that only 6 remained?
Mean while, both of us know that JZR is very selective in its pilot standards, only a handful made it through the sim check, you were one of them, so the fact that we are only a few is in your favor, the fact that you left is in our favor.

Credibility is a big part of a pilot’s character, in my point of view, you have no such asset, as for the people reading this thread, I cannot decide for them, these are the facts I am certain of, I have nothing to hide.

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Old 13th Apr 2006, 10:29   #27 (permalink)
 
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"Did you go to school in him or something"
airnoservicesaustralia, i think we all need to buy a dictionary and or take english grammar lessons.
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Old 13th Apr 2006, 14:53   #28 (permalink)
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Well - as for Dictionaries - you don't have to buy them - you find them online!
Alpha-Dictionary:
http://www.alphadictionary.com/langdir.html
The Free Dictionary:
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/
And there are many others out!
Now you know where to find out how to spell the words! Now go and use it as well! I don't want to see any wrong spellings anymore!
If Dany would get a cent for a dozen spelling mistake on all the forums - he'd be a rich man now!
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Old 14th Apr 2006, 07:24   #29 (permalink)
 
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[quote=MAXMEDLO]Ok pal,




UNWILLFULL CONDUCT
What is that? Is it something that one does unwillingly? No joke, I really don't know.
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Old 16th Apr 2006, 19:48   #30 (permalink)
 
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Originally Posted by In such way that...
...it's a reliable and organized, with secured and clean working environment.

Say again please!
What to say, to a stupid person, who does not understand
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Old 17th Apr 2006, 18:31   #31 (permalink)
 
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facts

facts are from infos we have from the 3 guys who escaped :
no one of them were paid for their month before they left !
no one of them have the yearly ticket to come back!
no one of them were upgrade as initially promised within few months!!

and the rise of salary happen because people were escaping from there if thsi would not happen all would have remain the same specially form the mother ****er on the ground who is saying that pilots are doing a routine job...
nice jazeera and thank you for the kake expat captin who now kisssing the ass of the management who is he ?

"captain Ramadan" or "captain wind in the noze"
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Old 17th Apr 2006, 18:45   #32 (permalink)
 
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upgrade

upgrade is due ????
no the assesment will start in september ..for how long .. looooooong winter of sweating from the k8 training captains..they know how to make "ascetic ideal " GGOOOD they wil do it the way they do it in k8 airways...
enjoy
so yes upgrade is DUE
tank GOD for that !!! wich one who ever you want want to prey...
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Old 18th Apr 2006, 00:54   #33 (permalink)
 
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And you are saying???????

I hope you dont express your self in that way when you are talking to a controller,I dont have a f king clue what your getting at.

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Old 18th Apr 2006, 01:18   #34 (permalink)
 
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I agree with MaxM, this thread is a load of [email protected]
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Old 18th Apr 2006, 08:14   #35 (permalink)
 
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read my message

Please, be so kind to wait for a few days more, then I am back from vacation and surely reply on your posts.

I am enjoying my vacation, why should I spend too much time for this? I will spend the time when I have returned home...

And it is so nice, to see all your smileys - my ex-colleague
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Old 18th Apr 2006, 10:25   #36 (permalink)
 
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Just sounds like the growing pains experienced by all new airlines....agreed one needs a special kind of patience to see it all through...one reason I stay away from new start ups..did it once, never again
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Old 21st Apr 2006, 08:00   #37 (permalink)
 
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Arrow JAZEERA AIRWAYS

First Officer Posted 20 Apr 06 Close date18 May 06 Location Middle East Apply for this Job
Job Description PILOT THE FREEDOM MOVEMENT
FIRST OFFICERS WANTED FOR JAZEERA AIRWAYS
Jazeera Airways is on a mission – to spread the wings of freedom across the region. Freedom of choice, freedom from overpricing, freedom to fly on your own terms. Join the freedom movement and spread joy and happiness in people’s lives… and yours.
Requirements:
• ICAO ATPL
• 45 years of age or younger
• 3,000 total flying hours on jets, 1,500 of which must be logged on turbine engine aircraft with a maximum weight of 30,000kgs or more
• Minimum 500 hours on an A320
What does this freedom mean to YOU?
• First Officer Upgrade Programme
• Opportunity to move into Management and Training
• Heavily subsidized travel on Jazeera Airways
• Attractive, tax-free salary
• Housing, children’s education, car allowance
• Incremental sector payment scheme (amounting to US$ 8,400/- approx.)
• End of service benefits
Want to know exactly what it feels like to fly for Jazeera Airways? Talk to one of our First Officers (Kuwaiti, Algerian, Canadian, and Egyptian). Call us on 965 4333304, xtn 215.
Otherwise, you can send your CV to firstofficers@jazeeraairways.com
Fly for Jazeera Airways. It’s an uplifting experience.
******************************************************
Has anyone shed any feelings on this company?
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Old 21st Apr 2006, 08:09   #38 (permalink)
 
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Has anyone shed any feelings on this company?
They certainly have..... check out and decide for yourself..

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=219377

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Old 21st Apr 2006, 10:43   #39 (permalink)
 
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Glued

Who gives a rats Ar*e about the spelling and gramma... I am rivited by this thread.

Way better than anything on TV.

Actually would make a good script!

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Old 21st Apr 2006, 18:33   #40 (permalink)
 
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The only freedom you don't have is to leave Kuwait at your own discretion
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