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Not quite sure how you can 'forget' that you've done another medical, especially since you failed it. If I were you I would tell the country you've passed in asap and just hope for the best.
I should think it probably depends on the condition which caused the initial denial.
I believe there is the basic JAA medical requirements - but these along with most things can be made stricter by the member state...
BigGrecian that is very true. The UK CAA no longer make candidates take an EEG. However, it is a requirement in some JAA countries so they do state that "you may be required to have an EEG if you wish to fly their aircraft professionally". Medical requirements do change with advances in medicine/research, so if you have failed one before, that does not necessarily guarantee failure today or in the future.
Help.. need good advice as I might loose my 1st class!!
Well, letīs begin this 2nd part full of thrills with the never ending and JAA unresolved story of the silly and discriminatory colour vision restrictions!!
I posted a new thread about omitting information in the medical form before an initial 1st class exam but I will explain it here as it is colour vision related.
As most of us are in the same boat Iīll try to explain my problem as clearly as possible so if you guys can give me some good advice I will highly appreciate it (obviously donīt expect me to tell you names or countries, etc.. ok?).
Here is the situation.. In my country I failed the colour vision test (that means Ishihara and Beyne lantern and later on in a second attempt, an anomaloscope), but due to the reason that I have an FAA 1st class medical certificate with no restrictions (I know I know, itīs useless) and due to that I donīt trust my country and I have big hopes of becoming a pilot someday and due to that I know that I am colour safe for flying and Iīve heard of similar cases of acceptance of medical certificates between countries and acceptance of different lantern tests, etc.., I thought about giving it another try.
I had a denial in my country due to "colour unsafe" and I decided to give it another try in a different country in one of my many flights around europe. What happened? the country that I went and with wich I did a new initial medical examination used other Beine lantern and guess what? I passed, and they gave me a fresh and brand new unrestricted JAA 1st class medical certificate (can you beleive it?).
And the problem is.. Obviously I asked for acceptance in my country but guess what? no answer to my pleads, nothing, no response, until....
well, tired of waiting I went to talk to one of the responsibles, and here is what he said.. well Mr., you failed with us and that it is finished and closed with us and besides (after they received the files from the JAA country that officially sent them my medical files saying that I passed) you can not go making a puzzle with this, and then I said, well what about if I go to the country that gave me the medical certificate and get the ATP licence? and he said, well then we will tell the JAA and the country at which you passed, we will tell that you failed the lantern with us, and besides that, you didnīt mention in your medical form that you had a denial with us!!!!!
And at the end he said, we will study your case and we might raise it to JAA for a sub-committee, so they can decide.
Ok. besides omitting that info (which I will like to know if I can ammend), it is clearly that these people in my country will find and will do anything for not passing me or accepting anything from me (even though itīs all in JAR).
My questions..
-Will I loose my medical certificate?
-Can I ammend the information that I omitted?
-What happens when you tell that you have been denied a medical ceritificate in another JAA country? They will also denie it? Theyīll treat you different?
-What happens if they tell JAA that I didnīt pass.
-What happens if they raise it to a JAA sub-committee?
I've got an important question. Two months ago I went to Gatwick for my class one medical. But after the visit the CAA, unluckily, gave me a class one restricted because coz i had failed the colourvision test.
This means fly only in daylight and IMC. NO IFR and NO PUBLIC TRANSPORT. But i've been told that i can be a flight instructor (which is good, coz I like this job).
But here is my problem: up to now i have the PPL. For the Flight Instructor course, i need the CPL. but for the CPL i need 5 hours at night ... ?!?!?!
I've told about this problem with my FTO and they told me that probabily i can fly those 5 hours for the CPL ONLY AS DUAL WITH AN INSTRUCTOR. However my FTO and me are going to contact the CAA and check carefully....
has anyone an opinion? or anything that can help me?
cheers mate for you time and help!
wf
PS. For those who want to test themself before going to Gatwick for the visit, you can have a test at the City Uni in London where you can try the Nagel Anomaloscope (which is a test accepted by JAA) and other tests... I'm not sure but i think that u can also sit a lantern test (i don't know which one).
It will be far worse for you if you do not own up. An inadvertent mistake is one thing, but now you are aware of it you are, if in the UK, committing an offence against the Air Navigation Order 2005 Article 94(1)(a) & (c).
Even if you were not at the time aware that you had made a mistake, any exercise, now that you are so aware, of a privilege that requires the use of your medical will constitute an offence. You put your licence and medical at risk if you do so.
eh.. the only thing i can do now is hoping... I wish I could pass one of those lanterns (or the Nagel anomaloscope which I failed in London 2 months ago for only 1 unit )
Just to depress you even further, the UK CAA Medical branch have a completely computerised system, this allows them to spot trends in the results of individual medicals over the years.
But conceivably, the time may come when national CAAs decide to share information, particularly if, as in Europe the JAA medical is of the same standard in every country.
Furthermore, many airlines have their own medical standards which equate to or exceed the JAA standard, so you could fall down there.
If you attempt to cheat on the medical, you're cheating yourself.
Surely you can't just 'forget' that you failed a medical before?
Perhaps, it's your integrity that should be questioned if you deliberately concealed it, or if you didn't pay attention to the form properly and ticked the wrong box, then it's your attention span (or attention to detail) that should be questioned?
Either way, I suggest write to the authority where you did your latest medical and inform them of your error.
I've a similar question - I used to have hayfever when I was younger, I'm still quite young but it doesn't affect me any more, but should I tell the CAA I have hayfever? Is there any chance that hayfever could come back to affect me in the future?
Mods - Wasn't sure whether I should have posted in this thread or in hayfever thread
Hi, At my local opticians I have been given the ishihara test in the past and failed and I was wondering if there were any statistics on whether most people who fail the isihara plates fail the lantern test?
Also, do people ever buy copies of the test to get used to the plates, is it unwise in terms of serious implications of 'cheating' or is it accepted that people want to reassure themself beforehand by practising so you know what to expect?
Hi, At my local opticians I have been given the ishihara test in the past and failed and I was wondering if there were any statistics on whether most people who fail the isihara plates fail the lantern test?
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Originally Posted by benwizz
Also, do people ever buy copies of the test to get used to the plates, is it unwise in terms of serious implications of 'cheating' or is it accepted that people want to reassure themself beforehand by practising so you know what to expect?
Hi benwizz,
well, I don't know why people buy those books. it's not a good idea cheating. don't forget that this test is for safety.
I can say that CAA/JAA standars are a little bit too high and/or they should harmonize with FAA but never cheat: it's for your safety.
Then when i did my Class one in Gatwick the Optometrist (a young guy) showed me the plates randomly... so it'd have no sense learn the numbers...
If you're not sure about your colorvision you can test yourself on the internet:
but, the best thing for you would be to have a test with a specialist (for example City UNI in London). They can give you advice and test you with lanterns, anomaloscopies ecc ecc.
Finally if you want, you can call the CAA and book with them only the colour vision test(it think it costs £ 30... but i'm not sure)
I'll look into the City Uni, sounds like a good idea
From what I've gleaned from the stacks of info here, am I right in thinking that in summary - if you go for just the Ģ30 colour vision test and you fail, then you can't resit it even if you go for a full class 1? And that the only way would be to try in other JAA/JAR countries for the colour test, then if you pass that do the full medical, and then convert it back to a UK Class 1?
On their website they have a new colour vision test which is a movie with a coloured square moving around the screen which changes colour. The idea is that during the 90 second clip people who are colour defective cannot see the square in some places for a few seconds (although I could see it all fine despite failing the ishihara).
It's interesting to see that:
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The new version of the colour vision test was produced with support from the UK Civil Aviation Authority. The test is not yet in use for medical certification purposes. It should therefore be used only as a guide.
... ?!?!?! 
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