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I hold an FAA Class1 medical with no restrictions. Passed the Farnsworth lantern test.
It used to be, for conversion purposes, that you would be tested at Gatwick as a renewal and that did not include a colour vision test. They changed this about 2005/2006.
My question's are:
1. Has anyone attended another JAA state to convert their FAA Class 1 to a JAA Class 1 and not been colour tested? If so which state, AME and how long ago?
2. Has anyone attended Gatwick recently and had their Class1 conversion conducted as a renewal and issued? Without a colour vision test.
3. Has anyone been invited back to Gatwick recently because they were marginal to sit the new City Uni test. If so, how did you get on?
Well, I've been living on grandfather rights on my class 2 and with a restricted class 1 for ten years. Anyway, took the CAD today and was convinced I'd stuffed it up but, with 4.33, I passed!
The bloke in the Aeromed centre (called mark) at the CAA was really super and set me at my ease, which is more than could be said for back in 1999 when I flunked the Holmes-Wright.
The test has changed a little from the prototype at City Uni (no chin rest and letterbox to look through) and you have to sit 1.4m (+/- .4m) from the monitor (hooked up to a lappy) on a comfy chair.
I'm going to write to the CAA and City to thank them for the time and money they've invested in this project as I can now, finally, realise my dream!
If you're like me and 'slight' (in my case 9/15 ishiharas incorrect!) in your CVD, then do splash the £120 and see if you can get through.
My results at City did NOT have a numeric value. I got my results from the CAA by doing a Subject Access Request. They requested a numeric value from Citi Uni!!
I then sent the graph I got from my City test to City Uni to ask for a numeric result and surprise surprise they come back very similar > 15 SNU so FAIL!!
Considering all I will be happy to take the test at an independent venue when available!!
Hi all, I heve a CPL and I have flown almost 3000 hrs including night, IR as FI and mayor airline. When I did my initial medical check I only had to read 5 o 6 plates, probably the nurse was tired and I passed. I had no notice about my problem and in the renewals usually I didnt have to do the Ishihara. But now I know that I can´t see all the plates, I fail some of them. So, in the first place, with my experience, I now that I can fly safely, when probably I could have been rejected in my first medical. And probably most of you can do it!. The rule is stupid.
Now my questions:
1-The CAD will be accepted or adopted by EASA?
2-The color test is not required in the new EASA anual check, is it required in the JAR-FCL in force now?
3-Does anyone know where they don´t do the color test in the annual check in Spain?
Is there any Southern American or African state that will give you an unrestricted Class 1 Medical (or something equivalent to it) with CVD and
an anomally quotient of 2,8 (Nagel Anomaloscope? Is there any state in the world that will? Maybe something like a SODA in Australia ?
I failed the Ishiara and the Anomaloscope (=AQ 2,8),
what chances do I have to pass the CAD with this AQ?
Are there any studies about this?
Tony, there's no such thing as a medical conversion. If it's your first JAA class 1, you do the full routine at Gatwick. Do you have a reference for the "renewal" route? I've never heard of it; it's something which would have without doubt been mentioned before on this particular thread were it a feasible strategy.
right, i went to gatwich a few weeks ago and did the cad test. This is wat happens..
The cad test is presented via a normal tv screen with a laptop connected to it. you sit about a metre away from the tv, its in the same room as the audiometric or sound booth is, the room is dimmed.
you are given a remote control, looks like a texas style calculator ( obviosly not a calculator lol) you have buttons which are on the top right, left, bottom right and left, u get the picture, there is a middle button but does nothing.
next, you need to do a learning test... the examiner advises that the test shows a coloured box, and the background is grey dymainc static, ie flickering boxes, faster than the one on city university website, similar but not the same... this is to give u an idea of the test.....
the learning test is needed cause you need to understnad the test process, your advised to stare in the middle of the screen and when you hear a bleep sound you press the corner the box hits remember you got the bottons, after you do this and the examiner is convinced you can do it properly then the actual test takes 15 min.
the test itself i failed got 7.44 for r/g, and 1.34 for blue/yellow, what you dont know is that they can retest you if you fall within a certain numerical, ie boarderline value.
to be honest the test itself was difficult, i pressed the botton the wrong way a few times and knew the mistakes were cause i went to fast on the buttons...
i am at a stage were commercial aviation seems less interesting and more stressfull as a job and might concider a restest cause i think if i was to slow down next time and you do feel abit anxcios as well, and jumpy, would do better cause only 1.44 over pass for green weakness
i hold a jaa and faa medical, need to do ishihara for faa medical and i can read 13 plates and somethimes more, , , im goin to apply for a nppl, and return to the real world and live my life................. i do hold an faa CPL/IR and 300 with the idea of conversion, but things in life change and you need to get over it.... im still happy...
This has been discussed before on PPRuNe but the search function isn't the greatest. Use Google or similar and search 'Colour Blindness PPRuNe'. That should turn you up a few threads to read.
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Ponte,
You are being tested in order to justify the jobs of a very small handful of people and to warrant the commercial marketing and sale of a product being sold by a private company, the research and development for which has been funded with public money.
Do not be fooled into thinking your testing has anything to do with aviation safety.
And at £ 4,200 (or whatever it is exactly) a pop, there is the reason your CVD test now costs £ 120. The CAA has given AMEs a benchmark for charging, which will be used as leverage to promote the sale of the product - ONLY 35 Tests and you then make a profit....next it'll be "Buy One Get One Free, I said Buy One Get One Free!!!" Not forgetting of course that it they mandate it's use within legislation then AME's will HAVE to buy one or not be able to carry out their testing.
With no other product available on the market, this is undoubtedly a monopoly with potentially alleged forced sales tactics through legislative leverage, or what!!!!
Am I the only one who thinks that this is all about making money and stinks of cronyism and corruption?
I'm sure that if this was any other industry the Government Watchdogs and possibly even the SFO would be looking very closely into what has occurred here.
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Then maybe it's time for a co-operative formal request to an independent authority higher than that responsible for this farce, for a proper investigation and appropriate action where required.
Is anyone else prepared to support such a request because I am prepared to take it to the highest authority possible, provided that I have the support of others with similar concerns?
ye i'm in too. Lets actually do something about it and challenge the people who are making up the rules as they go. Chatting about it on this thread will never change anything.
I passed the CAD!
£120 for the CAD at the CAA?!?!
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