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The CAA re intransigent Ba$s%a$£S when it comes to this subject so save your time and money, you will get more success from banging your head against a brick wall.
The only thing that they would take seriously is a legal challenge but that would take money, lots of it.
e.g. If I am unsafe for night flying how come you have restricted me to no passenger transport at all (even by day ?), why UK aircraft only, why UK airspace only ?
Answer - Because we are a bunch of arrogant, ignorant and very vindictive Tossers !
Sorry if this offends anyone but hey it's the truth !
i agree with what your saying it seems if they are campaining against aviation (campaign against aviation) but i was told i cannot fy outside uk airspace but it was not written on my medical all that was was flights by day only so surely they cannot stop me from flying outside it because theirs no such restrictions imposed on my medical, any i may go to a specalist and get their oppion and all being well get a tribunal, sounds silly but their was a guy at the club who was in the same postion, and he took the tribunal option and won although this was in nz
thanks agen
oliver
explain how we are arogent or even vindictive, all we want to do is fly, our well beings our childhood dreams,
Bump for this - going for my medical soon and I need to know - if I go to Gatwick and fail on CVD will I be able to subsequently pass in another JAA country then get it converted to a CAA medical despite my previous CAA medical failure? Advice only from those who have actually done this or personally know someone who has please.
thanks.
Flash
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Originally Posted by Lord Flashart
Opinion then seems to be divided, so I am now unsure whether to go to the CAA first or to some other JAA country.
Has anyone actually failed at Gatwick, then subsequently passed in another JAA country and been issued a full class 1 CAA medical as a result?
If so, were there any problems in obtaining the CAA class 1 when presenting the JAA medical from another country?
I was under the impression that the CAA was bound by law to accept a JAA medical and exchange it for a CAA one - is this or is it not true?
Bump for this - going for my medical soon and I need to know - if I go to Gatwick and fail on CVD will I be able to subsequently pass in another JAA country then get it converted to a CAA medical despite my previous CAA medical failure? Advice only from those who have actually done this or personally know someone who has please.
thanks.
Flash
Yes - as posted above if you fail at the CAA they will advise you to do this. The reason is because there is no set protocol for all of the JAA countries to follow.
Taking an objective view about this, the CAA is being quite helpful here and calling them To**ers is not going to help anyone.
If you can prove that you passed all of the requirements for a Class 1 Medical in another fully fledged, note, JAA country then the CAA will grant you a Class 1 to train in the UK.
An interesting link methinks: http://drc-gb.org/library/ask_drc/qu...e_a_pilot.aspx
Its not a purely male thing but much less common in females. Basically the 'anormaly' is carried on the X chromosome. Women have two of those (males just one) so the 'anormaly' has to appear on both for the problem to show up and therefore less likely to occur.
Its not a purely male thing but much less common in females. Basically the 'anormaly' is carried on the X chromosome. Women have two of those (males just one) so the 'anormaly' has to appear on both for the problem to show up and therefore less likely to occur.
Now if there was ever a reason to want to be a Woman!
Thanks for that. I just wondered if, since the advice was unofficial, there may be problems/objections down the line. I have been "lanterned" before as a child and tested as normal, although I never could do the ishihara plates. I suspect I'll go through OK at gatwick, but it's nice to know if I don't there are other options.
thanks.
Flash
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Originally Posted by gijoe
Yes - as posted above if you fail at the CAA they will advise you to do this. The reason is because there is no set protocol for all of the JAA countries to follow.
Taking an objective view about this, the CAA is being quite helpful here and calling them To**ers is not going to help anyone.
If you can prove that you passed all of the requirements for a Class 1 Medical in another fully fledged, note, JAA country then the CAA will grant you a Class 1 to train in the UK.
An interesting link methinks: http://drc-gb.org/library/ask_drc/qu...e_a_pilot.aspx
Yes - as posted above if you fail at the CAA they will advise you to do this. The reason is because there is no set protocol for all of the JAA countries to follow.
Taking an objective view about this, the CAA is being quite helpful here and calling them To**ers is not going to help anyone.
And this is factual then is it GIJOE ? You have done this i.e. failed at Gatwick and then on their advice gone elsewhere to pass the same or a similar test - got a pass and then converted back to CAA - All without any problems at all ??? If you have then I will be very impressed !
Unfortunately I will still call them a bunch of To££$rs because if true it is an absolute nonsense that they are advising their own pilots to go abroad because to get fair treatment !
was interesting, since the answers and their 'meanings' are given. I found that on some plates I got the red/green answer, on others I got the 'normal' answer, some I got nothing and on a few I saw part of the normal answer. I guess this means the test is not sensitive enough...as you guys have basically been saying.
Also I notice that at college, when they use green pen on the white board, I struggle to see whats going on...until I put my glasses on ( a really mild prescription..basically the only time I wear them). I have no problem once I have my glasses on.
The point I finally getting to is that when I did fail a lantern test (I was border line) I did not wear glasses at all. I had a prescription from a previous eye test but didn't need glass..didn't get a set.
May be for someone who is borderline...try glasses first! A slightly sharper image might be all you really need.
GIJOE Yes - as posted above if you fail at the CAA they will advise you to do this. The reason is because there is no set protocol for all of the JAA countries to follow.
Taking an objective view about this, the CAA is being quite helpful here and calling them To**ers is not going to help anyone.
And this is factual then is it GIJOE ? You have done this i.e. failed at Gatwick and then on their advice gone elsewhere to pass the same or a similar test - got a pass and then converted back to CAA - All without any problems at all ??? If you have then I will be very impressed !
Unfortunately I will still call them a bunch of To££$rs because if true it is an absolute nonsense that they are advising their own pilots to go abroad because to get fair treatment !
OK then I am as amazed as you were in your previous post. I will now try to determine what alternative tests there are with a view to getting a pass elsewhere and asking CAA to accept them.
I can't answer your main question (how are the tests different) although I do know that different JAA countries do have different tests, hopefully someone else who's been though it all will reply with the specifics. What I will say is it may even be worth your while re-trying the same tests - for example, even with the ishihara plates my results differ from one day to another, presumably due to different lighting conditions / monitors etc. One thing to note on the ishihara test is that for it to be fair the lighting conditions must be very specific to give you the best chance of passing, but in the end the ishihara is only a screening test and the real test is the 2nd stage (lantern) of which there are several different types.
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Originally Posted by unfazed
GIJOE
What country did you go to ? what alternative test did you pass ?
I have spoken with medical doctor in Holland who advises that tests are the same as CAA so I am at a loss as to what test to try and in what country.
unfazed,
What has been said is all true. I'm pretty sure I set the precident for this. I went to the CAA a couple of years ago and failed the lantern tests, altho only slightly. I said that the white on the Beyne lantern was yellow, since it is a baige colour. I thought this was pretty unfair and so looked at different ways to continue my fight. I heard about the German AMC here on PPRuNe and the fact that they have a slightly different protocol for their beyne lantern tests. They show you each colour first and tell you what it is, they then show you all the colours randomly and you have to say what they are. I passed this test. I then returned to the UK who then turned around and said that they would not accept the lantern test as it was done in a different protocol to their own. After a number of letters to the chief medical officer the CAA agreed that they would accept a full German Class 1 medical and convert that to a UK medical as they normally do. I then returned to Germany, passed the full class 1 medical and the CAA converted it just like they said they would. As has been said it looks like the CAA are now actually advising people who fail the lantern tests to do this. This doesn't surprise me as I've heard a number of the doctors at the CAA think that colourvision testing is pointless, so they do their best to help you. Make sure you keep trying, I now have a full CAA class 1 medical and am going to be taking my CPL test soon! Good luck to you all.
GIJOE
What country did you go to ? what alternative test did you pass ?
I have spoken with medical doctor in Holland who advises that tests are the same as CAA so I am at a loss as to what test to try and in what country.
Blinkz - I need to know where you did your test in Germany ?
Have just been to City University to sit a range of tests which tell me that I have an issue with white and green, the advice was to try different tests until I pass one
I will schedule my next medical for Germany or wherever there is a different (and hopefully easier) colour vision test acceptable to JAA.
Just for info - City Uni are soon to conduct trials of a RED / WHITE Papi type test for the CAA so it looks like the wheels of change are slowly turning at long last.
Hi all, very interesting thread thanks to all that have contributed. I've known I have some form of Red/Green since a young age, and always assumed it ruled me out of any commercial flying. Thanks to info here and alot of research I've done recently it seems there might be a chance..... I'm going for a full test at City Uni next week, seemed a sensible first step - presume that's what you did Unfazed? Do they give you the full range of tests, help you understand which you can pass, what Gatwick use etc? I'm hoping so!
vindictive Tossers !
Now go do it.
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