VISION THREAD (other than colour vision)

[miikey]

hey all, okay i was gona make a new thread. but ive read this one a bit

Now let me get this Straight.

To pass a Class 1 medical my eyesight must be above -5 or -6 (somewhere there)
My eye sight is R -1.4 L -1.5, so does this mean im with in range.

[Flight my fire]

Originally Posted by si_lud

crammy15b
If you were -8.75 then that completely rules out a Class 1 medical, sorry! The UK CAA normally gets around poor eyesight by issuing a deviation to get past the initial medical (limits are now -6), and removing at a revalidation (still -8). With l@ser surgery, they cannot remove the deviation if you were past the initial (-6), although you can still fly UK (G- reg) aircraft with this deviation.
The EASA when they replace the CAA for medicals may remove deviations altogether. I don't know how this will affect those us of with deviations as yet.
I'm not sure you can even get a Class 2 medical, since you are outside the limits (-8), but don't quote me on that. You need to speak to the head guy at the UK CAA medical department.
Sorry for the bad news.
Si

Hello to all of you !

Si Lud i read your post. Is the new rule effective now for myopia ? ( - 6 diopters for admission ) in England ?
It was expecetd for November but in the JAA text it is mentioned an application for ( Maybe ) December ( NPA-28).
If so it is a great information.

Have a good day.

FMF

[norton2005]

hey everyone, this is my first post,

i've had an initial class 1 and unfortunately, have only been given a class 2 due to my vision meeting the renewal standards but not the initial standards. my eyes are -7 dioptres. they will now only give me a class 1 with deviation when i have a ppl and have turned 20, which is next year by the way. the problem is, i had always hoped to go to oxford aviation training but unfortunately, as you probably already know, you spend 5 months in phoenix. the deviation is only valid on uk aircraft and t won't be lifted till i do the ppl.is there any way for me to still attend OAT? the deviation letter says if i wanted to train outside the uk id have to ask permisssion from the relevant authority, in this case i gues thats the FAA. how would i go about seeking this permission? as with OAT you have a class 3 FAA medical anyway, is the uk medical relevant? i mean if i could pass the FAA class 3 would that be fine as id be using the american medical and not my own? and then when i get back it would become unrestricted anyway. any help with this would be much appreciated.

and secondly, these changes that are happening to the CAA standards, anyone know whats happening to the initial standards? ive heard the renewal standards will become unlimited like the USA but ive heard the initial will stay + or - 5. anyonw know if htis is true or if maybe the initial will go up aswell? any chance of it going up to -7?

thanks for your help guys

[world]

Why is military so strict on there uncorrected vision requirements?
If somebody can correct there vision to 20/20 (6/6) why cant they join the military?

[2close]

You can join the military with corrected vision.

Whilst I am tempted to presume you are referring to flying FJs it would help if you would confirm which arm and job are you specifically referring to.

[MightyGem]

Not sure which country you are from, but I think that you'll find that most Air Forces have far more applicants than they have vacancies for, so they can afford to say "Only the best will do".

[airborne_artist]

Loads of people can correct their vison to the reqd. standard, however, there is no guarantee that their corrected (with spectacles or surgery) will stay within limits.

There's no certainty that a person who makes it without correction will always stay in limits either, but they are far more likely to either change very slowly, or not at all.

I passed the UK mil reqs in 1977, and I'd still pass them today, though with spectacles I can see far away objects slightly better.

Why waste $millions on a high risk candidate, when in most countries, you have plenty of lower risk candidates.

[Jimmy The Big Greek]

If you are going to fly N-registered aircrafts you need an FAA medical.
Dont worry about the medical. The FAA does not have any diopters limits and the medical is MUCH MORE relaxed and down to earth than the CAA. If you look at the FAA website you can locate an FAA AME in your country and do it before you go to the states.

I dont think that the JAA will take away the diopter limits in the near future on the other hand if you already hold a CAA first class medical with deviation, I dont think that you need to worry that much even if they change the regulation since it will most likely only be valid for new "applicants".

[norton2005]

so what your saying is that as long as i can pass a FAA class 3, which is what you need they have told me, i should be fine?

o and jimmy, im greek cypriot, what part of greece you from?

[sam_0_12345]

If I was to get l@ser eye surgery done to my eyes would that hinder my chances of becoming a pilot?

[norton2005]

it could and it couldn't. providing the surgery goes well then not at all. i've heard of instances when it didn't go well and that could have an effect. someone once told me that a rare problem that could arise is not being able to deal with glare and that would hindure your chances, but risks are minimal, but i would go to a well established organisation that does it and not just the cheapest option. remember you do get what you pay for.

and secondly, you have to see what your prescription is first. i don't know the rules in australia but in the JAA if your eyesight was outside of the + or - 5 dioptres before the surgery, even if the surgery was fine, then you will have a deviation on the medical permanantly, and that would mean only being able to get a job with an airline which is in the country of issue. so, if your in the limits and want to have it, then look into it, but if your outside the limits trying to get in, i would say most certanly not. take the deviation route with your original eyesight becaue them it is lifted after CPL training.

natural eyesight impovers shouldn't go amiss either, i've heard alot of good things about them.

[sam_0_12345]

thnx for ur quick reply norton

[sam_0_12345]

has anyone on this forum use natural vision improvement?

[llanfairpg]

Perhaps not but it makes you look!

Does your company charge you for the bi annual eyesight test (licence holders who require to wear glasses while flying)?

Our AFS says that all charges conected with medicals will be paid for by the company, audiogram, ecg but in a memo says it wont pay for the bi annual eyesight check at an opticians. Are there any airlines that do pay for this examination or we alone?

[Meeb]

Quite a few Opticians do not charge for an eyesight test, so that might be an option?

Having said that when I went to one of these Optician chains who advertise it for free,
as soon as I produced the CAA form they wanted to charge a fee...

[NurseToPilot]

Hello Everybody
Im only 12 hours into my PPL training and absolutely loving it... My plan is to complete this and begin my hour building so that I may continue on with CPL / ATPL training. I've had my Class 2 Medical Since 20th September 2006 and assumed no problems with it..

However I've been dealt a hefty blow this week in the form of a letter from the CAA stating that I have excess astigmatism which is outside the limits for initial JAA Class 2 Medical Certification... However as I meet the requirements for renewal they have exchanged my Certificate for a new one with a deviation on...

This I understand and see that I can apply to have the deviation removed upon completion of PPL...

BUT I've looked at the CAA website and feel really gutted to find that the Class 1 requirements for both initial and renewal are even more stringent.... I DESPERATELY want to become a pilot and feel really cheated that I may have to quit before I've even really started...

Any advice would be much appreciated
My prescription details are as follows:

Contact Lenses Prescription:
Right Eye - Standard Toric Lens
BC=8.70 POWER=+2.00 CYL= -3.25 AXIS=20

Left Eye - Standard Lens
BC=8.90 Power= -1.50 CYL= 0 AXIS=0

Spectacle Prescription:
Right Eye - SPH=+2.00 CYL= -3.25 AXIS=22.5
Left Eye- SPH= -1.25 CYL= -0.50 AXIS=180

If anybody can tell me what it means I would appreciate it. I am more than willing to have this corrected if it is in any way shape of form possible to do so.
Do ANY of the CAA "limits" have room for an allowance? (eg my Astigmatism being -3.25 and limit being 3.00)
THANKS
JONATHAN

[norton2005]

type in natural vision improvement into google and see what comes up. theres an ameriacn company you can order from which has all the eye exercises you can buy. but look around, remember that these people are commercial busineses so each one will look like the best.

[brain fade]

Where I work the company refunds this to you. Medical expenses.

[niknak]

Your frustration is completely understandable, but for advice, please go back to the CAA Medical Department.
Whatever your problem may be, if you treat them with respect, they will do their utmost to assist you and get you back to the standard you require.

I can speak from personal experience, if you do what they need of you, they will do their best for you, but you should bear in mind that they are the Regulator and technically, they are not obliged to do anything more than advise you of the requirement.

[NurseToPilot]

I've emailed them tonight regarding the matter and said that I am willing to do anything that is required of me to gain my Class 1 Medical so that I may procede to CPL after my PPL... Thanks for your advice... If anybody else can share their experiences with me I would appreciate some "pick me up" as this has come as a major blow to be at present.