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Old 1st Aug 2003, 23:13   #1 (permalink)
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Jaguar X-Type Diesel

Jaguar X-Type Diesel

What does anybody think to this?

My personal view - diesel in a Jag - errm however 65mpg and I do like diesels.

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Old 2nd Aug 2003, 00:32   #2 (permalink)
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Yeah, but the X-Type is'nt a proper Jag !

Too small to be a proper Jag. Too ugly. Too slow. And it's a......... Ford !

"Grace, space and pace", as the old ads used to say, is what defines a proper Jag.
 
Old 2nd Aug 2003, 00:37   #3 (permalink)
 
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Anthony sums it all up - how can it be a proper Jag?
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Old 2nd Aug 2003, 02:18   #4 (permalink)
 
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Front wheel drive, 4 cilinder, diesel................whats next?


The stationwagon?


XJ and XK are OK, but the X-Type is NOT a Jaguar!
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Old 2nd Aug 2003, 03:29   #5 (permalink)
 
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For years BMW and Alfa would not market a diesel in the UK for fear of damaging the brand, even though the cars were freely available on the mainland.

Now they are two a penny.

Jags will be the same.
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Old 2nd Aug 2003, 04:04   #6 (permalink)
 
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0-60 in 9.5 secs doesn't sound too hot, but 5.6l/100km, what ever that means, will attract a lot of German and Italians to think about buying one.

The UK has enough diesel engines in taxis, busses and trucks already, so may not add much to UK sales.
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Old 2nd Aug 2003, 04:37   #7 (permalink)
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I get the impression from a lot of the Diesel Cynics that they have not driven a Modern Diesel engine.The first diesel I drove was a 1988 Vauxhaul Astra. It was horrible. Just slow slow slow. It didnt rev at all, was noisy and smoky. The extra weight could also be felt and made the steering very heavy. But diesels have come a long long way since then. If you dont believe me take a test drive in a VW Golf or Bora. Those engines are incredible. They have incredible amounts of Torque, which is what makes a car feel really fast, they are nearly as quite as a petrol now too. They are very driveable. I had the use of a Bora for a week and as hard as I drove it, I couldnt get less than about 45 mpg. A gentle foot will get nearly 60. The Diesel GTI version was quicker than the petrol GTI to sixty, probably why they brought out the Turbo. Havent driven the Jag so I cant comment, but I wouldnt dismiss it until I drove it.
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May the good Lord have mercy on us - next in line will be a Ferrari/TVR/Porsche diesel !!! That will make them the fastest trucks available.
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Old 2nd Aug 2003, 06:46   #9 (permalink)
 
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What a bunch of luddites and cynics.
First of all the X type is a "proper" Jaguar. It may have Ford underpinnings but so what. Its been breathed on by Jaguar stylists and engineers so is a proper Jag. Is a Fiat owned Ferrari any less of a Ferrari because it is owned by Fiat. I dont think so. Is an Audi A3 or A4 a Golf in dusguise? Ask an Audi owner . I know what he would say.
Jaguar realised that the current big market for company vehicles ( supplied by the competition Mercedes, BMW and Audi ) are diesel powered vehicles. Is it wrong that Jaguar should neglect this very large segment of the market. I dont think so. If they are to remain a serious player in the luxury and executive segment they have to cover all the bases.
As for diesels being noisy smelly and churning out black and filthy exhausts I guess the posters who wrote this have never driven or looked at the specification of the latest generation diesels. They are both cleaner and faster than the equivelant petrol engines, and in addition they are more economimical.
Get into the real world guys
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As one who spent his last few "working" years in the development of engines, I confirm what others have said - Diesel in 2003 is totally and utterly different from Diesel in 1983.

My present (and several previous) cars have been V6 petrol. The next will be an I4 Diesel. The performance will be within a whisker of the same, but with twice the miles per gallon.

Yes, Jaguar Product Development and Jaguar Marketing know exactly what they are doing. The customers who know (like those who've been buying Mercedes for years) want Diesel. So that's what they'll get.
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Old 2nd Aug 2003, 14:31   #11 (permalink)
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rover2701 will be telling us next that rovers are as good as they used to be.

As for the X-Type being "breathed upon by Jaguar stylists", I'd suggest a course in dental hygiene and regular brushing. YUK ! Someone's obviously designed a "eurocar" and then tacked on four Jaguaresque headlights and bonnet flutes. Pathetic - most ugly so-called Jag since the XJS.

Now altogether, say, in a Brian Conley voice, "It's a Fo-o-o-o-rd !"
 
Old 5th Aug 2003, 05:54   #12 (permalink)
 
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I know the words Jaguar and Diesel are not exactly to be found in the "great pairing" forum, but if they want to remain competitive in this corner of the market, they have got to offer one. The X Type is just a Mondeo in a Paul Smith suit in my opinion.
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Just like the Audi TT is a Golf in a simon brown suit.
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Old 5th Aug 2003, 06:00   #14 (permalink)
 
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Diesel and Jaguar shouldn't appear in the same sentence. I wanted a X type until I drove the gasolene 3 liter, and even that didn't have enough get up and go, sounded like a Ford Taurus as well. (I am ashamed to have ever driven a Tuarus but it wasn't mine and I only drove it once)

Yep, XJ or XK are the ones to have although........S Type R??? Is it a Lincoln or a Jaguar?
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Old 5th Aug 2003, 15:05   #15 (permalink)
 
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I suggest anyone with a prehistoric attitude to Diesel toddle down to their local friendly BMW showroom and try and get a test drive in a 330d.

This 3-litre diesel will wipe the floor with the equivalent 3-litre petrol in every area, and you will shortly be able to get it in a coupe.

I think Jenson Button was caught doing 140+mph in one in France a few years back.....
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Drove someone's Golf dti around the airfield the other day - it went like sh1t off a shovel! Amazing

Must be the 20 000 psi injection pressure
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Old 5th Aug 2003, 15:46   #17 (permalink)
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Decaff coffee, alcohol free beer, diesel Jaguar. I mean, what's the point. Might as well buy a diesel Mondeo and save the difference, it's really a very good car, totally and utterly different from the older model...
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also can reduce maintenance costs compared to its petrol driven sisters,just a shame the uk taxes deisel out of the market at the pumps

in my part of the world you pay 42p per litre and both by skoda 1.9 tdi and its larger mate the golf tdi turn in over 5.6-6.0 to the 100 or in real money 50+ mpg including urban driving.

both have amazing torque low down,accelerate cleanly and cruise comfortably at 140-150 kph with four up

deisel technology has come a long way and jaguar are moving with the times

and yes jag could build an suv as well..witness the new generation bmw/vw/porsche types
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Old 5th Aug 2003, 16:44   #19 (permalink)
 
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I drove my mates Mondeo the other day and I was, to be frank, impressed. So, comparing a Jag with a Mondeo may be realistic after all. When it comes to diesels just try the BMW or VW offerings and you will find that they are terrific pieces of engineering. A diesel Jag sounds ok to me as long as it works.
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Cool

So what if it's a Ford. What's wrong with a Ford? I spend a lot of time driving around as a passenger in a new Mondeo and as said before it's a bl**dy good car. Very quiet, comfortable and relaxing.

As for power differences, they're much less than in the past and when are you ever going to need half of the power available to you in these cars on our congested roads?

The only result of Jaguar producing a diesel is more choice for the customer and that has to be good...

These new diesel engines are bringing with them advances in technology which may end up making flying cheaper for us too!

This kind of progress and innovation is what has produced great cars in history, some people need to stop living in the past and look towards the future.
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