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Old 31st Jul 2002, 15:04   #1 (permalink)
 
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Origin of the term 'Skipper'

A somewhat out moded expression now, I know, but anyone know where the old term 'Skipper' (as refers to Captain of an aircraft, boat or sporting team etc) came from and / or what it 'means?'
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Main Entry: skipper
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Middle Dutch schipper, from schip ship; akin to Old English scip ship -- more at SHIP
Date: 14th century
1 : the master of a ship; especially : the master of a fishing, small trading, or pleasure boat
2 : the captain or first pilot of an airplane
3 : a person in a position of leadership; especially : a baseball team's manager
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Talking Blast sombody was faster - but this is for the non-english speakers also

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skip·per1 (skĭp'ər)
n.
Nautical. The master of a ship.
A coach, director, or other leader.
tr.v., -pered, -per·ing, -pers.
To act as the skipper of.

[Middle English, from Middle Dutch, from scip, ship.]

skip·per2 (skĭp'ər)
n.[list=1][*]One that skips.[*]Any of numerous butterflies of the families Hesperiidae and Megathymidae, having a hairy mothlike body, hooked tips on the antennae, and a darting flight pattern.[*]Any of several marine fishes that often leap above water, especially the saury Cololabis saira of Pacific waters.[/list=1]
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Translations for: Skipper
Nederlands (Dutch)
schipper, soort insect

Français (French)
skipper, capitaine

Deutsch (German)
n. - Kapitän
v. - anführen, befehligen
n. - Kapitän
n. - Kapitän

Ελληνική (Greek)
n. καπετάνιος, κυβερνήτης, αρχηγός ομάδας, (καθομ.) πελάτης που εγκαταλείπει ξενοδοχείο χωρίς να πληρώσει v. κυβερνώ σκάφος, ηγούμαι, αρχηγεύω, (καθομ.) ζω αλήτικα

Italiano (Italian)
capitano

Português (Portuguese)
n. - saltador (m), capitão (m) de navio, comandante (m) de avião

Русский (Russian)
шкипер, командир корабля, капитан спортивной команды, черт

Español (Spanish)
n. - capitán
v. tr. - capitanear
n. - saltador, brincador
n. - remera de manga larga (jogging)

Svenska (Swedish)
n. - kapten på mindre båt, lagkapten, kapten på ett flygplan
v. - vara kapten

中国话 (Simplified Chinese)
n. - 蹦跳的人, 略读者, 跳绳者, 长颌竹刀鱼
n. - 船长, 队长, 机长, 领导者

中國話 (Traditional Chinese)
n. - 蹦跳的人, 略讀者, 跳繩者, 長頜竹刀魚
n. - 船長, 隊長, 機長, 領導者

日本語 (Japanese)
n. - 船長, 主将, 跳ぶ人, セセリチョウ, 跳ねる人
v. - 船長をつとめる

العربيه (Arabic)
‏(الاسم) دودة ألجبن, ألخنفساء, سمك طويل ألمنقار, ربان ألطائرة (فعل) يترأس, , يقود سفينه‏

עברית‬ (Hebrew)
n. - *קברניט, רב-חובל‬
v. tr. - *שימש רב-חובל על‬
n. - *דבר או אדם שקופץ‬
n. - *חולצת טריקו עם שרוולים ארוכים‬
Source Atomica
Sorry to the arabic readers, its this site and its icon manager, not me - sorry Danny, had hoped you knew that already - but I guess you can't test everything.

If you dont know it - its a download from atomica and is bl**dy brilliant at finding things fast - highly recommended - if you have it try typing in a accronim such as CRM or IMHO or even IKEA - I've only found one that it hasn't already got - but it has now.

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Old 31st Jul 2002, 15:32   #4 (permalink)
 
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Well I guess that answers that one!
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Thanks for that useful link Gofer. I just love infolinks such as that.

Skipper. I have also seen this word used to refer to those who sleep rough on the streets in England and have thus no fixed abode. I imagine it could also be an intransitive verb "to skipper" meaning to follow that sort of lifestyle. Anyone confirm or refute this?
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Old 31st Jul 2002, 16:39   #6 (permalink)
 
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I think we have had this one before, as I said then, if you had called the Captain ,Skipper on any ship I was on you would have recieved a swift clip along the lug.
Skippers were in charge of fishing boats or trips around the lighthouse.
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Old 1st Aug 2002, 09:42   #7 (permalink)
 
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Not the 'cat then, TD?
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Old 1st Aug 2002, 09:56   #8 (permalink)
 
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It was keel hauling in my day, Drapes!!!
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Old 1st Aug 2002, 10:33   #9 (permalink)
 
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The Skipper you refer to might come from the term "Skip" which is another name for a "Wheely bin". So someone sleeping rough (maybe in a skip or looking like they just fell out of one) could be called a skip. Or maybe it refers to where they look for food?

Just passing thoughs...
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Old 1st Aug 2002, 11:03   #10 (permalink)
 
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I think there is a fish called a Skipper? (and I don't mean Kipper!).
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Old 1st Aug 2002, 19:39   #11 (permalink)
 
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It is often used as an informal form of address to someone in authority along with guv, guvnor, boss and chief. Where did the usage of the last come from?
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Old 1st Aug 2002, 19:56   #12 (permalink)
 
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V. interesting link Gofer.

Cheers

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