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Old 13th Sep 2017, 10:02   #21 (permalink)
 
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Ever thought of trying a dehumidifier wowzz? It'll certainly keep the damp at bay and you get some waste heat from the motor, the latent heat of condensation of the water vapour and some air circulation from the fan. Just doctor the water collecting bucket to drain to a floor gully for long term use.
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Old 13th Sep 2017, 10:03   #22 (permalink)
 
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I see that CargoMatuta mentions bringing back the thruppeny bit. I presume that is the silver one as given to newborn infants! What about bringing back the farthing?
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Old 13th Sep 2017, 10:36   #23 (permalink)
 
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''regarding a gas boiler annual service with British Gas. They take the cover off, have a quick look round without actually touching anything, then turn it on and measure the flue gas for noxious outout! Then spend another few minutes, playing with their laptop and trying to sell me stuff!
Call that a service. I guess they would say " if it ain't broke, don't fix it" I used to pay about 38 per month for that, then I wised up!''

38!!!!!!!!!!!!! We pay BG 13.85 a month for the same thing. As much as anything else, we pay it as supposedly if the boiler breaks down, they turn up within 24 hours to fix it. As we rely on the boiler for all our hot water and heating, it seems a small price to pay to get the boiler fixed if it breaks down during a January freeze.
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Old 13th Sep 2017, 10:46   #24 (permalink)


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wowzz, I would go constant heating but not as high as 18. 13-15 should do it as you aren't there and if you have good insulation it probably won't come on much.
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In northern China you have brick beds. At night they have a small charcoal fire underneath them with a vent outside. Keeps you warm and doesn't creak.
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Old 13th Sep 2017, 11:17   #26 (permalink)
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I see that CargoMatuta mentions bringing back the thruppeny bit. I presume that is the silver one as given to newborn infants!
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Old 13th Sep 2017, 11:46   #27 (permalink)
 
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I had a similar question wowzz. We have a hot tub at our weekend retreat. Should we keep it at the temperature we like all week (even when we are not there) or turn the heater on only when we are there? Engineer stepson said the latter.
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Old 13th Sep 2017, 12:12   #28 (permalink)
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'Heating' will inevitably have losses - depending on the insulation.
Additional energy will be required to overcome these losses, and this will depend on how frequently the warmth is needed by the occupants.
Would you keep a patio heater running when you are not needing it?

If the property is only occupied for one day each year, would you keep it at working temperature for the remaining 364?

Of course if there is a risk of damage to the property (such as by freezing and burst pipes), it makes sense to maintain a minimum safe temperature.
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Old 13th Sep 2017, 12:18   #29 (permalink)
 
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Definitely only when you are there. You are paying for heat. All the time the hot water is hot it is leaking away heat (money). When it's cold this doesn't happen.
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Old 13th Sep 2017, 12:41   #30 (permalink)
 
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We travel most winters to Spain and leave the CH switched on with the stat set to 14c on the digital timer. Last year it went wrong, the digital timer battery gave out. So this year I`m going to replace said battery before we go. Interesting that two AA batteries last so long considering that each time the heating is on the batteries are holding reed relays in the energised condition. Much more important in my opinion is to turn off the mains stop cock. According to my gas engineers comments, 10% of householders don`t know where their stop cock is.
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Old 13th Sep 2017, 13:03   #31 (permalink)
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Engineer stepson said the latter.
He's right, but you might want to consider the time it takes to get hot, and turn it on using a timer so that it is ready when you get there.

We leave our CH on at 12 C when we take our annual fortnight's winter holiday. This worked for years until water got into the "welcome" light at the front and tripped the main RCD three days into our holiday. We arrived back to find the house in darkness, freezing cold, no programmes recorded on the PVR, and blood all over the kitchen floor (upright freezer). The pipes had not frozen although I had turned off the stopcock as a matter of routine. Nowadays I turn off the circuit breakers for any circuits not needed while we are away to try and avoid any chance of a repeat.
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Old 13th Sep 2017, 15:44   #32 (permalink)
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Our British Gas bill is also 38 for water boiler and warm air system. They hate it.

It works 364/24 until they service it. This year a new burner array, last year a new heat exchanger, year before New fan assembly. System is like new with everything replaced at least once in 15 years.

This year they played the ace and condemned it. Not to current Regs.I dug out my old copy, compared with new copy No Dfference. What is wrong? This bit of the flue is wrong and this is metal to concrete to asbestos to metal.

Back to regs, flue was indeed missing bit that they should have fitted 19 years previous as stated in the installation instructions. As for flue, independent inspection said no problem. Nice letter to CEO. They apologised, sourced New part which they had never had in their catalogue, then had to replace the x whole flue as they said it needed doing. And paid me 100 compensation.
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Old 13th Sep 2017, 15:46   #33 (permalink)
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On keeping the heating on, we have a frost stat which will bring heating on with whatever minimum setting we chose, the max is 15 deg.
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Old 13th Sep 2017, 16:00   #34 (permalink)
 
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regarding 38 per month for BG service, I should have said that that was for the full heating, water and drains cover. However, if nothing goes wrong its a lot if money per year!
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Our RCD was tripped quite often by a tungsten filament bulb failure, and since selected lights were on timers during our absences, the fridge, freezer, CH and alarm were all vulnerable. So I fed the kitchen from a separate RCD.
Of course, LCDs last much longer, and probably won't trip the RCD when they do fail, but I am happier with the split arrangement.
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Old 13th Sep 2017, 16:21   #36 (permalink)
 
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The when question was always a military or institutional one.
It would get b*** cold, everyone would freeze, PSA or the management would dither and after a week put it on. For the next fortnight the sun would stream through open windows, workers in shirt sleeves and everyone enjoying the India Summer. Come April off it would go and we would freeze.
And in the RAF Works & Bricks would always choose a nice hot spell in July to test the central heating system
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Our RCD was tripped quite often by a tungsten filament bulb failure, and since selected lights were on timers during our absences, the fridge, freezer, CH and alarm were all vulnerable. So I fed the kitchen from a separate RCD.
Of course, LCDs last much longer, and probably won't trip the RCD when they do fail, but I am happier with the split arrangement.
Get rid of the RCD and fit RCBO`s on each circuit. That way any trip is restricted to one circuit only. Downside they are more expensive.
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Old 13th Sep 2017, 16:53   #38 (permalink)
 
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Get rid of the RCD and fit RCBO`s on each circuit. That way any trip is restricted to one circuit only. Downside they are more expensive.
I agree. We have recently had to have a 10 year check on our electrical installation (according to the test label affixed to front of the mains distribution panel) and the electrician flagged up two issues.

Firstly that the distribution panel had to be replaced by an all metal unit to contain any potential fire in the unit itself which the previous plastic unit would not. Secondly that the electrical heat store which supplies our hot water (and which uses two immersion units) had to be fed via an RCB of some sort. I pondered over what might happen if a faulty 'chunky' immersion came on and took the RCB out - it would mean no mains power to the electrical items in the kitchen and I didn't want to come home to find the contents of the freezer on the kitchen floor.

We talked it over and he suggested fitting an RCBO in the circuit for one of the immersions, I said fit two - one for each immersion. This he did. A day or so later one of the immersion RCBOs tripped out and would not go back in. I called the repair man for the heat store and he said at 10 years old it was most likely a tired immersion and it would need replacing. I got him to replace both immersions since if one had gone faulty the other one was probably on borrowed time too. Turns out the faulty immersion had in fact split in two inside the heat store and he had great difficulty in getting the old one out. Was not too expensive and he says the unit should carry on now for another 10 years.

So, had it not been for those new RCBOs it might have been tears at bedtime. So yes, a fan of RCBOs and they take up no more space than a conventional MCB.

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Old 13th Sep 2017, 17:06   #39 (permalink)
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My stop cock is practically inaccessible and probably jammed tight. I use the stop cock on the water meter. Easy to access and if it doesn't work the company must fix it.
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Had a price offer from Boilerjuice this morning - if I buy 500 litres of oil today I can get it for 39.58 pence per litre, saving 0.01 pence per litre on the normal price.

Better get in there smartish.
Damn! We bought 700l in July at 41ppl
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