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Old 10th Aug 2017, 08:52   #41 (permalink)
 
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Well put it this way, it is biologically impossible for the species to continue as the only way to procreate is through a male and a female - we are designed in such a way make two people of the same sex procreating is impossible.

If people wish to live alternative lifestyles that's great; what they do in the privacy of their own homes is fine. What we don't need is these lifestyles rammed down our throats as the BBC has been doing over the last month.

However, as a counter to that, quite logical, statement, there is a massive amount of evidence that same-sex relationships, and same-sex sexual behaviour, has existed in the human race for millennia.

It is absolutely not "deviant", or "unnatural" at all. A small percentage of people are just attracted to people of the same sex, and not to people of the opposite sex. FWIW, the same behaviour has been observed in other animals, too, the human race is not unique. The incidence is so small (around 2% in the human race) that it has no significant impact on evolution, and so remains a part of the normal spectrum of the characteristics of the human race.

My late cousin, who would be around a year younger than me if she were still alive, was gay. When we were kids it was bloody obvious that she wasn't the slightest bit interested in boys. When we were about 17 or 18 I can remember her getting upset at home and the pair of us going down the pub for a chat. She was upset because her dad (my uncle) had made a comment about her not having a boyfriend. She was really confused and upset because she couldn't understand why she wasn't interested in boys at all, and thought there was something wrong with her. Neither of us knew about being gay at all at that time, and it was only when she went off to university that she learned to understand why she felt as she did.

She settled into a relationship at university, that lasted until her partner died, after they'd been together for close on 40 years, a couple of years before she herself died. No one will ever convince me that there was anything unnatural or deviant about their love for each other, or that there was any way either of them could ever have been heterosexual.
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In a couple of weeks this will probably all be forgotten; the media will doubtless be whipping themselves and "The People" into a frenzy about the twentieth anniversary of the death of a certain Royal person.
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The discussion here is regarding the Beebs focus on and partisan approach to the homosexual community not one's feelings on sexual preferences.

I think we can all appreciate what your concerns are here and most of us would sympathize with the predicament that some people are born into and have to deal with throughout their lives. Mindless prejudice has no place in a tolerant society.
There is however a different group, male dominated that gender feelings of disgust and resentment toward homosexuals. Known in the US as 'Fast Lane Gays' their promiscuity does no favours to the gay community. The BBC has never covered these issues, it's off limits. The NHS has recently lost a court case involving free issue of a pill that will allow male homosexuals to indulge their preference for promiscuous unprotected sex without the risk of an HIV infection.. the cost is estimated at four hundred pounds per person per week.. at a time when the NHS is already creaking under the strain. This item of news was barely mentioned in BBC News reports and it's that sort of partisanship that generates resentment to both the Beeb and the wider homosexual community. The BBC is not there to cultivate popular attitudes its remit is simply to inform, let us make up our own minds on social issues, they simply have to provide the facts.
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In a couple of weeks this will probably all be forgotten; the media will doubtless be whipping themselves and "The People" into a frenzy about the twentieth anniversary of the death of a certain Royal person.
Don't you believe it, she was (allegedly) a gay icon so it will slot in with the narrative rather nicely.
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The discussion here is regarding the Beebs focus on and partisan approach to the homosexual community not one's feelings on sexual preferences.

I think we can all appreciate what your concerns are here and most of us would sympathize with the predicament that some people are born into and have to deal with throughout their lives. Mindless prejudice has no place in a tolerant society.
My reply was specifically, and only, to the post I quoted, nothing more.
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I get it that they want equality, in the sense that if one partner dies the other gets the same rights as heterosexual couples that have been together for many years.

I think this marriage push is designed to achieve this by a backdoor root. (pun intended)
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Old 10th Aug 2017, 10:13   #47 (permalink)
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The NHS has recently lost a court case involving free issue of a pill that will allow male homosexuals to indulge their preference for promiscuous unprotected sex without the risk of an HIV infection.. the cost is estimated at four hundred pounds per person per week.. at a time when the NHS is already creaking under the strain. This item of news was barely mentioned in BBC News reports and it's that sort of partisanship that generates resentment to both the Beeb and the wider homosexual community.
MungoP, the statistics show otherwise, and prophylaxis in all high risk cases is cheaper than treatment. Looking it up the cost of lifetime treatment for HIV is around 360,000 per person.

The argument in the court case was not about whether it should be funded, but whether it should be paid for by the NHS or local authorities. The decision was also not that it should be just be handed out carte blanche by GPs on prescription, but that the NHS England should put the drug on the list of specialised treatments it could potentially fund if it decides on a case by case basis it can afford to do so in a prioritised list including drugs, for example for children with cystic fibrosis, and even then only after a 3 year trial to examine its cost effectiveness and in which cases it should be issued.

https://www.england.nhs.uk/2016/12/h...ion-pregramme/

Which of course was not discussed in the sensationalist media....


UK HIV Statistics | National AIDS Trust - NAT

"Over 95% of people living with HIV in the UK have acquired HIV through sex without a condom. People living with HIV who were exposed through heterosexual sex are the largest group, though those exposed through sex between men is a close second.

Of those receiving HIV care in 2015, 41,945 (48%) were exposed through sex between a man and a woman, 41,016 (47%) were exposed through sex between men. 1,909 (2%) were exposed from injecting drug use, 1,383 (less than 2%) were exposed before or shortly after birth and 753 were exposed from blood/receiving blood products.......".
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I'll believe in equality in this country when I see an outreach worker for middle aged, white, anglo saxon. protestant, middle class men. They have become a seriously endangered minority over the years, and their voices are stifled by the other minorities, now they rarely dare to voice their feelings/opinions for fear of being prosecuted.

A couple of hundred years ago, this group would have been considered to be persecuted due to lack of representation.

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I'll believe in equality in this country when I see an outreach worker for middle aged, white, anglo saxon. protestant, middle class men. They have become a seriously endangered minority over the years, and their voices are stifled by the other minorities, now they rarely dare to voice their feelings/opinions for fear of being prosecuted.

A couple of hundred years ago, this group would have been considered to be persecuted due to lack of representation.

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Maybe it's a backlash from the centuries of Britain being ruled by white, upper class, men.
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Old 10th Aug 2017, 10:31   #50 (permalink)
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I'll believe in equality in this country when I see an outreach worker for middle aged, white, anglo saxon. protestant, middle class men. They have become a seriously endangered minority over the years, and their voices are stifled by the other minorities, now they rarely dare to voice their feelings/opinions for fear of being prosecuted.
I believe MPs speaking in parliament are immune from prosecution.....
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I believe MPs speaking in parliament are immune from prosecution.....
And wouldn't dare speak out..................

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I understand and appreciate the argument in favour of supplying this medication to a grossly irresponsible group based on the the alternative being that it will cost more to treat them once they've been infected with HIV. But basically that's just on a level with blackmail.. "give us this pill or we'll get infected and cost you more". Nobody is saying they can't have it, only that they should be made to pay for it. Like many lifestyle issues impacting on the NHS such as increasing obesity the issue of personal responsibility is never mentioned in parliament or the media for fear of losing votes or viewers.
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I understand and appreciate the argument in favour of supplying this medication to a grossly irresponsible group based on the the alternative being that it will cost more to treat them once they've been infected with HIV. But basically that's just on a level with blackmail.. "give us this pill or we'll get infected and cost you more". Nobody is saying they can't have it, only that they should be made to pay for it. Like many lifestyle issues impacting on the NHS such as increasing obesity the issue of personal responsibility is never mentioned in parliament or the media for fear of losing votes or viewers.

Is there any real difference between this and smokers, though, or heavy drinkers, or those that partake in high risk of personal injury sports?

Follow the argument to its logical conclusion and we should, perhaps, refuse expensive treatment for lung cancer where it's been caused by smoking, or refuse to fund treatment for spinal injuries suffered by horse or motorcycle riding accidents.
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Maybe it's a backlash from the centuries of Britain being ruled by white, upper class, men.
Trouble is two wrongs do not make a right and because the Left simply shut any kind of meaningful debate the LGBetc communities will never know if they are accepted or simply tolerated.
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I get it that they want equality,
Not sure you do...

They want, reasonably, to not be treated like deviants, oddities or freaks. Hetero-bashing is not something I've ever heard of: gay-bashing is, and still goes on.

They'd quite like this accommodation to be made in countries where being gay is illegal; and often attracts state-approved torture.

Still had a gutsfil of the Beeb's 'season' tho'.

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because the Left simply shut any kind of meaningful debate the LGBetc communities will never know if they are accepted or simply tolerated.
I don't understand what you are saying. Can you explain?
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MungoP, nobody knows who will get it till after the trial.

I would suggest one group will be those couples where the husband is HIV positive and they want children, and for HIV positive pregnant women where it prevents infection of the foetus.
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It would be interesting to find a correlation between the contributions paid into the exchequer by the gay community who would benefit from a prophylaxis, albeit an expensive one, and the benefits received by the Jeremy Kyle fodder who continue to pup despite there being an exceptionally cheap prophylaxis to stop this.
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Again, this thread is about the Beebs focus on the issue let's not let it descend into the issue itself..
In reply to your comments, that's exactly my point. The NHS is struggling with lifestyle issues. We keep hearing about how we should pour more money into the NHS.. the money has to come from somewhere and other things will suffer. My point is that someone should stand up in parliament and state that in a modern, educated, developed society it's time people began to accept responsibility for their actions.
If someone suffers from excessive smoking, eating, alcoholism and is clearly warned that they need to change their habits (not that they should need warning and refuse then they should be given only limited treatment and go to the back of the queue.. that might wake them up.
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Back on topic .. perhaps ? After the BBC, s usual reporting on Trump,s latest shenanigans what came next?. Yes , you guessed it ! We are now informed that that football (soccer) now has its first openly gay male referee .. complete with interview , again does anybody care ! no mention of female referees I notice , old hat I guess .A rugby union ref beat him to it of course .
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