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Old 11th Aug 2017, 21:32   #41 (permalink)
 
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He claims he was in the US on the date of the incident. Try getting in and out of there without it being recorded.
My thoughts, too. My US passport is stamped every time I go through immigration into the US.

There is a large blue print oval created by the words: "Department of Homeland Security - Customs and Border Protection" then a huge red month, day and year stamp in red in the middle that the immigration officer puts there before allowing me entry.

Also, not to mention the CCTV camera coverage and two-way mirrors in immigration entrance halls?

Are some rarified US travelers bypassing that all-important date stamp? Otherwise.....

p.s. "Out of there" is trickier only because the US doesn't date stamp you on the way out. For that it would CCTV I guess, or another solid proof of location inside the US on the incident date. Then, there is the date/entry stamp at LHR or wherever upon arrival, another proof.
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Old 11th Aug 2017, 22:01   #42 (permalink)
 
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Land crossings don't stamp passports. However entry is logged in both Canada and the US.

The half hour stop in the US in Goat Haunt and return to Canada does not involve showing ID, but numbers are carefully checked. Longer stays require passports.
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Not only passports but credit card, mobile phone use and witnesses could be traced to the US if he was there. He'd have to be ballsy or stupid to bluff that one.
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OK, if he's a US citizen travelling on that passport then he should be in the clear because it should have a UK entry stamp in it to back up his claim of being elsewhere.
Am I missing something here?
I have not been to the UK for some time but how many countries would need to rely on passport stamps to verify travel details these days?
Surely immigration records are better than that.
What about airline ticketing records also? And are they not linked to immigration records anyway?
He wouldn't really need to prove where he was, only where he wasn't - presumably, not in the UK.

Same for the US immigration records, surely.

I thought that passport stamps these days are only for the passport holders benefit and maybe a quick scan for any immigration officer looking for travel patterns.

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Old 12th Aug 2017, 03:03   #45 (permalink)
 
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WingNut is right. I am a US citizen, and since i'm also a frequent flier, I'm a member of the Global Entry "trusted traveler" program. On entry in the US I have my passport scanned at the GE kiosk. This prints out a thingie with my photo and my details that I give to the nice CBP officer, and I'm on my way. No stamps.

In the UK, owing to my trusted status in the US, I am a "registered traveler" which means I can use the e-passport machines and usually never have to deal with any type of official. Again, no stamps.

Of course, I'm sure these entries are recorded and ergo traceable electronically. But all this talk of "stamps" seems so 90's, or worse. Also, don't forget neither the US nor UK require exit checks. But I presume that's something the airlines are supposed to track.
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Old 12th Aug 2017, 08:17   #46 (permalink)

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Also, don't forget neither the US nor UK require exit checks. But I presume that's something the airlines are supposed to track.
Tricky, that. On our recent trip my wife used her new Irish passport at border control, but had booked with the airline using her UK passport (because the Irish one hadn't arrived at the time of buying the tickets). Yes the name and birthday are the same on both (she'd have preferred to use a different name for the Irish one but for some reason they insist on it being identical) but that's not always unique.
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Old 12th Aug 2017, 12:48   #47 (permalink)
 
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It looks like they arrested the wrong chap: Putney Bridge jogger push suspect eliminated from inquiry - BBC News
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Old 12th Aug 2017, 12:55   #48 (permalink)

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Must have been more to it then than the expected conversation:


"Where were you on such-and-such a date?"


"USA."


"Got any evidence for that?"


"Here."


"Thank you sir, sorry to have bothered you, good day."


I don't see any scope for making an arrest there.
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Old 12th Aug 2017, 14:01   #49 (permalink)
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Airlines are required to provide e-Borders with a passenger lmanifest for every flight into ad out of the UK. Records are kept for many years and data searched for travel patterns, people often on the same flights etc. Not on the manifest, not allowed to board. Patchy for other means of travel, but I doubt he used any other means to cross the Atlantic. The police would have been able to check his travel details in seconds.
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Old 12th Aug 2017, 14:21   #50 (permalink)
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It is possible that he travelled by private aircraft.
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Old 12th Aug 2017, 14:35   #51 (permalink)
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The TSA require the same information including from private/business jets, still easy to check.
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Old 12th Aug 2017, 22:26   #52 (permalink)
 
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I recently entered the USA and was asked if I was the Mr. Xxxx Xxxx who first entered the USA on Dec. 18th 1958 as crew member of Xxxx operating flight XX XXX aboard Britannia 312 aircraft registration G-A(XXX) from London England to Idlewild Airport, New York ? Seeing my surprise he then swung the screen around to show me every entry I had ever made from that 1958 date until the present one.

Mrs. ExS enters the US on her US passport, and re-enters NZ on her NZ one, both going through the new auto machines with no stamps.

Two days ago, departing LAX, I asked the airline agent how the US Imm. would know that I had departed within the 90 days stamped into my NZ passport on last entry in June ? 'cos we tell them, she replied.
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Given how easy it is for someone to prove they were not in the country I wonder why the Police felt the need to arrest the guy without checking. That coupled with the bad publicity for the guy surely means they open themselves up to a claim for compensation.
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If you go through due diligence before arrest the bird may well have flown. That is why you are arrested 'in connection with' or 'suspicion of'' and if you have a get out of jail free card you are de-arrested given a cheap cuppa and a cab number.
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Old 12th Aug 2017, 23:27   #55 (permalink)
 
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Is it not high time then that people's names are only made public once they have been charged, not merely arrested?
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Yes,it is. All well and good to nab a suspect in case they scarper,but releasing their name to the media before any evidence is found to prove their guilt is wrong.
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Given how easy it is for someone to prove they were not in the country I wonder why the Police felt the need to arrest the guy without checking. That coupled with the bad publicity for the guy surely means they open themselves up to a claim for compensation.
High profile case so they were under pressure to get somebody. Very very lucky for him he was in the US at the time.
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Old 13th Aug 2017, 13:44   #58 (permalink)
 
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but releasing their name to the media before any evidence is found to prove their guilt is wrong.
I agree, but the argument was put forward in some of these sexual predator cases that it encourages other victims of the same person to come forward. I still think it is wrong, though.
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I agree, but the argument was put forward in some of these sexual predator cases that it encourages other victims of the same person to come forward. I still think it is wrong, though.
Yes, after the individual has been charged. If one is innocent until proven guilty then they should remain innocent until they are at least charged with a crime, and possibly until they are convicted and all appeals have been held.

Doesn't make for great news but really who gives a sh*t about the media.
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Sir Cliff Richard complained that the press appeared to have been given advance notice that his home in Berkshire was to be searched - whereas he hadn't been. He was referring to the reporters and camera crew from the BBC who were outside when police arrived.
It used to be common practice for police to let reporters know they were about to raid a celebrity's house or make a high-profile arrest.
It was part of the trade of information and favours between cops and hacks
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