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Old 7th Aug 2017, 08:05   #1 (permalink)
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Europeans revolt against mass tourism

It's finally happened.
Cheap travel is cause of overcrowding of some European cities and causing locals to become really pissed.

And this is just the beginning as 500 million Indian and Chinese middle class get the travel bug.

Something has to give?

'Go home': Overcrowding causes angry backlash against tourists in Europe's hottest destinations

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It's, no doubt, all due to Brexit!
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At a much lower level, I live in a usually quiet village that, nevertheless, relies on tourism to support many of the shops and restaurants.
At the foot of the hill where I live is a green with the river beyond.
On public holidays we get an influx of vehicles bringing visitors set on exploring the tranquillity - thus destroying it by their very presence.
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It's been going on for decades. Previously quiet Greek islands have been covered in concrete holiday factories.

And now there are huge cruise ships depositing thousands of passengers in ports that used to harbour a few fishing boats.

I don't see any answer to it.
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Isn't it a social norm to hate tourists whilst being enriched by their dosh?

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Old 7th Aug 2017, 09:10   #6 (permalink)
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Those that turned to mass market tourism have realised there is little profit in it for the local community - the tourists don't spend much, especially those on "all inclusive" holidays. There is much more money to be gained by catering to much more exclusive high end tourists with 5 star hotels and facilities where those staying tend to spend much more liberally.

Unfortunately those who have subsequently tried to move back from the first model to the second have found it virtually impossible to do so.
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I've just reread one of Bill Brysons books, The Lost Continent where he drives around the USA looking for the perfect small American town which exists only in his imagination. The whole book is a constant moan about how all the best places have been ruined by tourism, but at no stage does he appear to recognise that he is part of the problem himself.

I live in a tourist area and for years when I had a shop I benefited from the money that visitors brought with them, but that didn't stop me moaning when I was looking for a vacant space in a car park during the summer months.

Personally these days I find the idea of travel much better than the real thing so I am happy not to wander far from home.
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Isn't it a social norm to hate tourists whilst being enriched by their dosh?

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I see you've been to Porthmadog then......

There was also a time when Anglesey had a slightly justified reputation for the same hospitality, albeit mainly in the "deep dark heart " of the island.

Given most of the locals in this area regarded Bangor as being the end of the known world anyway , the antagonism towards tourists wasn't exclusive to the English.... which makes a change.
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A case of cutting off your nose to spite your face - a bit like voting for Corbyn!
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I see you've been to Porthmadog then......

There was also a time when Anglesey had a slightly justified reputation for the same hospitality, albeit mainly in the "deep dark heart " of the island.

Given most of the locals in this area regarded Bangor as being the end of the known world anyway , the antagonism towards tourists wasn't exclusive to the English.... which makes a change.
I couple of points... first, a nuke would enrich Anglesey Though I forgive their rudeness to a point for having to endure cohorts of the same type of yoof who thinks that burning furniture is clever; and who have been assured they are in the top 1% of the population (who applied anyway). Secondly, Porthmadog... Nope, got nothing to defend it- just the one point

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Previously quiet Greek islands have been covered in concrete holiday factories.
Not just Greece. Close to where I lived in Andalucia three large hotels went down the all inclusive route. Five restaurants and as many bars close to the hotels, all Spanish owned, closed within a year. Their main custom between April and October just disappeared into the hotels and stayed there. The jobs in the hotels remained but the additional jobs that were generated by visitors were lost. This did, and still does, cause a lot of friction between local businesses and the major hotel chains who are syphoning off cash that used to be earned by the local community and spent within that community.
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Thread drift....

How come an all inclusive holiday hotel can provide decent food almost 24/7, when our sick and dying eat shit in NHS hospitals?

Jus' askin'.

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Average less than £3.50 per patient per day thats why.

My better half recently spent a week or so as a NHS guest. Fortunately for her most of her stay was nil by mouth. The local chicken shacks and McDs must make a fortune from the amount I saw being taken in there.
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But in an all inclusive place, there's no mark-up on the food, so it'll be cheap-as they can do it. I wonder how much they spend?
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But in an all inclusive place, there's no mark-up on the food, so it'll be cheap-as they can do it.
Surely the mark up goes on the holiday price itself.

The hotels will have a very good idea how much, on average, each guest eats and drinks, how much gets wasted and what their costs are. Itís just simple maths to stick a hypothetical margin on top and add it to the overall price.
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I was told the breakdown is roughly (for a decent place) about 5 euros a day per head. For a thousand guests you can provide a lot of food for 5000 euros. If I remember correctly the daily cost for a punter averaged 40 euros a day over the B&B price. Fancy a tot? Wholesale prices are roughly 90c a litre for beer, 30c a bottle, 1 euro a litre wine and 30% spirits at 5 euros a litre. Even the most dedicated toper would struggle to bust the bar.
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Visit any major European city these days and you would be hard pressed to spot a local, let alone a revolting one.
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Visit any major European city these days and you would be hard pressed to spot a local, let alone a revolting one.
Presumably AirBnB has a positive effect on reducing dependence on hotel developments.

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50 years ago I had a relative who lived in Hornton Street W8 (just off Kensington High Street).
During visits I found that the overwhelming majority of pedestrians that I encountered were not speaking English.
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Close to where I lived in Andalucia three large hotels went down the all inclusive route. Five restaurants and as many bars close to the hotels, all Spanish owned, closed within a year. Their main custom between April and October just disappeared into the hotels and stayed there.
Thanks for putting a finger on the local frustration. There is some of that in coastal towns that I've lived in, but it hasn't gone that far.
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