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Old 10th Aug 2017, 22:34   #81 (permalink)

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Old 10th Aug 2017, 22:44   #82 (permalink)

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I was in Kona once and one of the locals remarked that we'd picked a good day to be there (we were staying on-island) because there were no cruise ships in that day which made the whole place a lot nicer. Apparently cruise ship passengers there tend to be a bad-mannered, impatient lot because they've got to see everything and only have a limited amount of time before they have to be back on board.
The average visitor to Skagway spends a few hours and no money on shore. We came by ferry and stayed four days, apparently an unusually long stay ... by the end of which we appeared to be known throughout the town and were treated as honorary locals. To the extent that a taxi driver gave us a free ride for a few miles because he was going that way home to lunch anyway (never had that anywhere else in the world!).
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Old 11th Aug 2017, 01:10   #84 (permalink)
 
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Despite earlier concerns, Herself and I did make a trip to central Europe a few months ago (late April - mid May). The 'must see' parts of Rome were seriously overcrowded - the Spanish Steps were totally covered by backsides and the Sistine Chapel was crammed full with humanity and officials shouting "no photos!".

Prague was how we remembered it - serious overcrowding in all of the popular areas - it was almost pedestrian gridlock on the most popular streets leading to the Charles Bridge. I can see why locals and residents in these places might be tiring of all this attention.

By delightful contrast, the Dolomite Mountains area in which we stayed for five amazing days was almost deserted, and we seemed to be the only visitors the delightful little village which we used as our 'base camp'.

A most enjoyable thirty days however; if only it wasn't so far away from home, we would add to the crowding problem more often.
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I agree. Maybe it's about time these 'democratic' councils hit on the idea of free parking for ratepayers and one or two pounds per day for visitors.
I was in convoy with friends while visiting a popular tourist town near here. At the car park barrier, my car with local numberplates was waved through. Our friends, with out of area plates on their car, were stopped and charged 4. Most miffed, they were!
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We are just returning from an 8 week motorhome trip, imagine a line from Calais to Montpellier, hang a right to Barcelona then a line back to Calais. We didn't partake in any major cities but visited some fabulous off the beaten track places but the main and entirely consistent point is that everywhere, even in the little bar in Boulogne last night the locals were nothing but entirely welcoming and friendly.

We have been doing this for the last 5 years and despite what some may think or suggest Brexit has not, in our experience made a jot of difference to how we are treated.
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Old 11th Aug 2017, 07:21   #87 (permalink)
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We are just returning from an 8 week motorhome trip, imagine a line from Calais to Montpellier, hang a right to Barcelona then a line back to Calais. We didn't partake in any major cities but visited some fabulous off the beaten track places but the main and entirely consistent point is that everywhere, even in the little bar in Boulogne last night the locals were nothing but entirely welcoming and friendly.

We have been doing this for the last 5 years and despite what some may think or suggest Brexit has not, in our experience made a jot of difference to how we are treated.
That's possibly because we were, and still are, just, in the EU.

It's also possible you declined to offer them your opinions, as expressed on here, as to how beneficial it will be to the UK once we leave the EU.

But look at it this way.....there are still plenty of "off the beaten track" parts of Scotland to be enjoyed in the future.
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Scotland? What on earth for?

Next years trip is in the planning stage, late May departure for the south of France, then on into Spain to meet with family and friends, then in to Portugal to meet family before getting home in late Sep.

Only possible cloud on the horizon is if this new fangled 'EU security visa' comes into force but as reports suggest it's only going to cost €5 and last 5 years I suspect we can probably still afford to go.

Talking of the cost of visas have you seen the cost of them for Vietnam and Cambodia? Not sure if one is required for Singapore and thankfully Thailand is free to visit which is good news for our 8 week jaunt in Jan, Feb and Mar next year.
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Yes, I know some who claim that they are holidaying in Yorkshire out of patriotism. But they've never done it before, and the reality is that they can't afford the EU any more due to #brexshit (and, a fortiori, they cannot afford longhaul).
Really don't understand your point. I've certainly holidayed in Yorkshire before (North - the nice bit) as well as Cornwall and Scotland. All long before Brexit was a glint in anyone's eye. I mean, I do understand that Remainers hate the UK and are openly and demonstrably ashamed to be called British but...

Anyway, I've also managed to get outside of the EU too. Along with millions of others. My holiday next year doesn't involve the EU. Perhaps you Remainers should have a go getting outside the EU once in a while. It can be fun.
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........... even in the little bar in Boulogne last night the locals were nothing but entirely welcoming and friendly.
If you've found the Vole Hole don't tell anyone else about it. It isn't big enough!!!

It amazes me (not that I'm complaining) how many people leap off the ferry, get on the motorway and head south. The coast road from Calais to Boulogne is much nicer, and the Old Town worth a stop. Then continue down the coast to St Valery Sur Somme for lunch and on to Fecamp and Etretat. After that either past Rouen and down to the Loire or across to Normandy/Brittany.

Beats Majorca any day!
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Old 11th Aug 2017, 10:27   #91 (permalink)

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Really don't understand your point.
These people routinely go to Europe. Last year they did, as usual, but complained vociferously about the high cost of the Euro. This year, with the Euro even worse, they "chose" to go to Yorkshire.
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This year, with the Euro even worse, they "chose" to go to Yorkshire.
Where they would get a generous welcome...

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Anyway, I've also managed to get outside of the EU too. Along with millions of others. My holiday next year doesn't involve the EU. Perhaps you Remainers should have a go getting outside the EU once in a while. It can be fun.
We have done and we be holidaying both within and outside of the EU and can happily say that weather wise and value for money wise going abroad beats staying in the U.K. hands down, Spain, Portugal and Croatia are outstandingly cheap even with the not so great exchange rate.
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Old 11th Aug 2017, 11:16   #94 (permalink)

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Anyway, I've also managed to get outside of the EU too. Along with millions of others. My holiday next year doesn't involve the EU. Perhaps you Remainers should have a go getting outside the EU once in a while. It can be fun.
We do (as mentioned here before we like going to nice safe places like Burma and Jamaica). But we CBA with longhaul every year, and even if we could that would only be one of our holidays each year.
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Well this is bad.

And no i'm not talking about what you're thinking - i'm talking about the people sucked into this story.

400+million people in Europe and 7 people slash tires now there's a frenzy, i don't believe that people's thoughts have been diluted this much, we must learn to recognize a problem without blowing it out of proportion
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Well this is bad.

And no i'm not talking about what you're thinking - i'm talking about the people sucked into this story.

400+million people in Europe and 7 people slash tires now there's a frenzy, i don't believe that people's thoughts have been diluted this much, we must learn to recognize a problem without blowing it out of proportion
Remember the dark days of English football hooligans? Any sort of incident, regardless of severity, was jumped on by the media and made into a huge story. Meanwhile, in Italy, it was (perhaps still is) not unusual for the locals to go rampaging through the town in high spirits (or a bad mood, depending on the result) causing damage and it was shrugged off as 'normal'.
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Gertie, are you referring to Skagway Alaska? If so, you need to do a little more research. A basic Internet search brings up loads of economic data that shows tourists fund s great deal of the towns income. Not just docking fees, etc, tourists buying tourist type stuff in the town.
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Old 11th Aug 2017, 18:41   #98 (permalink)

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Gertie, are you referring to Skagway Alaska? If so, you need to do a little more research. A basic Internet search brings up loads of economic data that shows tourists fund s great deal of the towns income. Not just docking fees, etc, tourists buying tourist type stuff in the town.
Sure they bought tat from the shops on the boardwalk, but I didn't see any cruise ship passengers eating dinner or sleeping in B&Bs.
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If you've found the Vole Hole don't tell anyone else about it. It isn't big enough!!!

It amazes me (not that I'm complaining) how many people leap off the ferry, get on the motorway and head south. The coast road from Calais to Boulogne is much nicer, and the Old Town worth a stop. Then continue down the coast to St Valery Sur Somme for lunch and on to Fecamp and Etretat. After that either past Rouen and down to the Loire or across to Normandy/Brittany.

Beats Majorca any day!
Could not agree more and we have done that route several times now, just drove back from Spain via Andorra and effectively did the route you suggest in reverse, Rouen never fails to be a pain in the 'arris to navigate through.

A few years ago we stayed in Le Crotoy just around the coast from St Valery and it was delightful, we even cycled along the canal towpath into Abbeville which was a lovely day out. There are some fabulous places all along the north coast and down the west coast which most punters will never see but for us, lucky enough not to be on the clock we have found some magical places to visit.
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What do Spanish bar and cafe owners fear most in August on the Costa Del Sol? The Spanish.

Every August the inhabitants of Seville, Granada, Cordoba and the like that have the means to do so escape the fetid heat and head for the coast where they holiday. This means walking from the margins of town to the public beach around 0900 carrying what looks like the contents of an average two bedroom house. Food and drink purchased at the cash and carry are in eskys the size of sea trunks. Static barbecues are hefted by the younger members of the extended family. Position secured they remain there having a bloody good time until between 2200-0100 long after dark and spending bugger all. Then they decide to sod the expense and stop off at a cafe for a bottle of sin gas between six and nothing for the kids and sit for at least two hours occupying almost all of the cafes terrace.

My good friend Ana would have one of us on watch on the approach to her cafe and when a likely looking group hove nigh had us singing typical football 'ooligan songs until they passed by. Always worked and she made money while some poor sod up the road put 1 euro in the till and inwardly wept.
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