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Old 10th Aug 2017, 11:55   #61 (permalink)
 
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It's not only Skye that is severely over-full. So are Harris and Lewis. The Police meet every ferry now and advise anyone who hasn't got accommodation booked to turn back. I was recently staying with friends there and didn't have an accommodation or dining problem, but the islands are massively overstretched.

The numbers of tourists right now are just crazy. Hugely more than the islands' infrastructure can handle. Not just twice as many people, but ten or more times as many as can be handled. The roads are clogged with tour buses which are too large for the tiny roads and there are hundreds more putative users than toilets. The laybys and even passing places are covered in shit as there are no woodlands for people to go and do the bear thing.

The roads can't cope with the volume of traffic either. There are narrow single tracks with passing places which were built for two 1950s cars to pass eachother. When you have three or four tour coaches trying to pass eachother in a 30' passing place it causes pandemonium for everyone as the traffic backs up for hundreds of yards.

This year is worse than anything anyone has seen before. Something to do with some travelogue telly program that's been shown on Asian tv.

I don't know what the solution is. Tax?
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Old 10th Aug 2017, 13:59   #62 (permalink)
 
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Blame the bloke who wrote a stupid song about King Charles and some boat that started him off in exile in Italy
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This year is worse than anything anyone has seen before. Something to do with some travelogue telly program that's been shown on Asian tv.

I don't know what the solution is. Tax?
Forced holidays for the police and;

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Old 10th Aug 2017, 14:08   #64 (permalink)
 
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Tourism must bring in loads of cash. The average tourist gets ripped off left right and centre for beers, food and tat.. and are generally happy to pay it..
So summers busy.. go on holiday somewhere offbeat and rent your place out. Win win.
I bet the local businesses miss the chaos in November when they are taking 20 quid a day
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Old 10th Aug 2017, 14:15   #65 (permalink)
 
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Limit the amount of buses allowed on a ferry. One off - one on?
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Old 10th Aug 2017, 14:18   #66 (permalink)
 
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would be boom time for the ferry bars !
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Old 10th Aug 2017, 14:26   #67 (permalink)
 
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Tourism does not put that much money into the pockets of front line people. In fact it is a notoriously badly paid commercial segment.

When it starts making housing unaffordable thats the time to stop and try and rebalance things but ti takes some serious government policies

London already has far too many people and too many tourists but it has lots of other ways for the city to make money.
France is the most visited country in Europe and has a huge amount of internal tourism too but on European standards France is very big and mostly accessible, ie its not all mountains and too cold in winter and too hot in mid summer. On European standards it is a huge country too so it has a chance to keep things in balance except for 15th or July and first weekend in August when the entire country is either on the road or at an airport.

It is a real and genuine problem and something needs to be done that is more constructive than brexidiots saying fill the empty Spanish hotels with Somali immigrants and see how these left wing loonies (funny they are never right wing loonies) like it then .

Some parts of the world are forced to put visitor restrictions on
Equador and the Galapagos limited numbers
Parts of Australian coast, higher charges for zoos and museums for tourists
Bermuda-no rental cars for tourists.

Or just let market forces sort it out because places become too unpleasant to visit-Venice or Prague in summer for example where the main negative factor is too many tourists. Rome in August by contrast is ghost town.

The -high end strategy- only works for very attractive relatively small scale places , St Barts or BVI (USVI is a dump) you can't make a whole city just a high end destination.

Still we in the UK will be contributing to solving the problem in one respect as we wont be able to afford to go anywhere in two years time but on the other hand it will be so cheap to come here we will be flooded ourselves. Still withing the confines of this site professional Pilots wont mind as I am sure you dont mind if the pax start their journey from here or elsewhere they have to fly anyway
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Old 10th Aug 2017, 14:36   #68 (permalink)
 
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If it becomes crap no one will go
If it becomes expensive people will want to go but not be able to afford it.

Tourism is a multi billion pound industry. It's great for some, a pain in the arse for others

I appreciate some places become ghost towns in the winter , but no one seems to moan about ski resorts being dead in the summer. They adapt to the circumstances
All excessive regulation will do is unleash the law of unintended consequences

The government is already cracking down on buy to let and second home stamp duty..
I'm sure that will continue
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Old 10th Aug 2017, 14:38   #69 (permalink)
 
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Judging by the number of European languages and northern UK accents I heard in Hastings old town which was full of people today, I'd say bring it on. With the number of small businesses, shops, cafes, delis etc doing good trade, tourist cash is good for the local economy.

Only drawback is it was a devil to find a parking space.
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The Balearic Islands are planning a crackdown. Let's see how that pans out for them
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Old 10th Aug 2017, 16:59   #71 (permalink)

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Of course, some "brexshitters" understand there is a world that exists outside of the European Union.
Yes, I know some who claim that they are holidaying in Yorkshire out of patriotism. But they've never done it before, and the reality is that they can't afford the EU any more due to #brexshit (and, a fortiori, they cannot afford longhaul).
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Old 10th Aug 2017, 17:18   #72 (permalink)
 
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Yes, I know some who claim that they are holidaying in Yorkshire out of patriotism. But they've never done it before, and the reality is that they can't afford the EU any more due to #brexshit (and, a fortiori, they cannot afford longhaul).
Some of us just enjoyed seeing the British countryside, long before Brexit was more than a pipe dream. Camping in the Yorkshire Dales, Lake District, Snowdonia, Cornwall, mid-Wales, various bits of Scotland. It helps that we were in a position to go off-season so it was way less crowded and even cheaper. It's also notable that I've not really got anywhere in SE England in the list of places I remember visiting. We did intersperse this with longhaul trip to the US though, sort of missing out Europe almost completely. I think we did Gibraltar twice, Amsterdam and once to the Leipzig area to visit Colditz Castle (yes, open for tourists and looks exactly like I remembered from the TV series and film).
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Old 10th Aug 2017, 18:04   #73 (permalink)

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Some of us just enjoyed seeing the British countryside, long before Brexit was more than a pipe dream. Camping in the Yorkshire Dales, Lake District, Snowdonia, Cornwall, mid-Wales, various bits of Scotland.
We're likely to take the bikes and go cycling, basically because, unlike my kids, I CBA to pack up the bike to take it on a plane, and hire bikes are never going to good for much more than a trip to the pub.
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Old 10th Aug 2017, 18:28   #74 (permalink)
 
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Machu Picchu is limited to 2.500 visitors/day. If Peru can do it....
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Old 10th Aug 2017, 18:55   #75 (permalink)
 
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Hiflymk3... re parking spaces, I agree. Maybe it's about time these 'democratic' councils hit on the idea of free parking for ratepayers and one or two pounds per day for visitors. They are making millions from cars and one, two, three + hours, at two pounds per hour. They would make more and be fairer and let more people park without stress with such a scheme in my view. These sheriffs have become ever more greedy, because they can get away with it without thinking out of the box and serving the people.
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Old 10th Aug 2017, 19:13   #76 (permalink)

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Maybe it's about time these 'democratic' councils hit on the idea of free parking for ratepayers and one or two pounds per day for visitors.
This is what's called a "resident's parking scheme". Guess what? - residents sell on the "visitor" tickets illegally to tourists and commuters at a profit.
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TBH having flown over Venice a few days back and from 38000 feet able to easily see the 5 cruise ships in the harbour there in the mid AM, apparently dwarfing the local architecture (I have the pictures I took from the cruise but I'm too much of a Luddite to post them) I can see the problem the locals there face. If the X thousand (?10, 15000 total?) on board those vessels hung around in town for their lunch, evening meal and perhaps the odd beer or glass of wine then fair enough, but if they are simply doing the sites, ticking the boxes and then heading back to their vessels to be fed and watered on their all inclusive deals then maybe the locals have a point,
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Old 10th Aug 2017, 19:57   #78 (permalink)

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TBH having flown over Venice a few days back and from 38000 feet able to easily see the 5 cruise ships in the harbour there in the mid AM, apparently dwarfing the local architecture (I have the pictures I took from the cruise but I'm too much of a Luddite to post them) I can see the problem the locals there face. If the X thousand (?10, 15000 total?) on board those vessels hung around in town for their lunch, evening meal and perhaps the odd beer or glass of wine then fair enough, but if they are simply doing the sites, ticking the boxes and then heading back to their vessels to be fed and watered on their all inclusive deals then maybe the locals have a point,
Impression I've got coming across cruise ship passengers in various parts of the world is that they eat and drink on board. Possibly they've been told that the food, water, and people aren't safe on shore, and that's the whole point of buying a cruise in the first place.
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Old 10th Aug 2017, 20:04   #79 (permalink)
 
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Had a look-up of Med cruises. Lots of 7 days -5 ports type stuff.
Seems to me that that's hardly cruising, more like a mobile hotel service to various land destinations.
Remember that 60's Bob Hope film - "If it's Tuesday, this must be Belgium."
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Impression I've got coming across cruise ship passengers in various parts of the world is that they eat and drink on board. Possibly they've been told that the food, water, and people aren't safe on shore, and that's the whole point of buying a cruise in the first place.
If the meals are 'free' on board (as in part of the up-front price) then there's every incentive to eat on board because I doubt if there are going to be refunds on the meals.

I was in Kona once and one of the locals remarked that we'd picked a good day to be there (we were staying on-island) because there were no cruise ships in that day which made the whole place a lot nicer. Apparently cruise ship passengers there tend to be a bad-mannered, impatient lot because they've got to see everything and only have a limited amount of time before they have to be back on board.
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