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Old 24th Jul 2017, 19:42   #101 (permalink)
 
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This Dunkirk veteran saw the film and gives his verdict:

Dunkirk veteran is moved to tears by Christopher Nolan's epic: 'I could see my old friends again'
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Where to start! From the opening scenes where the British soldiers are getting killed by an unseen machine gun in suburban streets where not a house is damaged or marked, to the obviously modern trains taking them to somewhere. There was no sense of scale. Photos from the time show long lines of soldiers all over the beach not just on the waters edge. The footage of the Spitfires was ok but dogfights did not start at 1000'.The reason the army didn't think the RAF did anything was that the RAF was fighting at 20000'. The film would have been better if it focused on the army and navy and only referred to the RAF in the periphery.

Apparently it is making lots of money and lots of people are going to see it so what would I know but I hope this is not setting the standard for war movies to come.
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Apparently it is making lots of money and lots of people are going to see it so what would I know but I hope this is not setting the standard for war movies to come.
Sorry, that ship sailed decades ago - if you want a shining example watch "The Battle of the Bulge" from 1965 - while there are scenes that are based on the actual battle, the lions share is bull crap...
https://www.amazon.com/Battle-Bulge-...e+of+the+bulge
Somehow it gets 4 1/2 stars (out of 5) on Amazon...
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Wasn't it "Saving Private Ryan" that had opening scenes so realistic that veterans were leaving the cinema as they couldn't stand to watch it ?

Specifically, when the ramp went down on the landing craft and the machine guns opened up.
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I don't understand where $150m was spent making this. No star studded cast, no CGI and yet it's not far off being a very very expensive movie to make.
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Old 25th Jul 2017, 12:37   #106 (permalink)
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Tdracer, at first I had a violent disagreement with you, then I remembered the cameo role played by Telly Sevalas. I think with films of that type, where there are many individual stories and an overall perspective, script writers stitch the component parts together to create entertainment. The sponge cake probably had a basis in truth as did Nuts.

An example of embellishment was in A Bridge too Far when a para tried to recover a container. He was killed and the container burst open to reveal berets - the futility of war. In contrast in Theirs is the Glory, same action and still killed but no berets - the heroics of man. Incidentally, the paras wore berets in that film.
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I had actually found the opening scene of Saving Private Ryan to be rather sanitized. Not that I have experience storming an enemy held shoreline mind, but I would imagine that it was quite a bit worse than what was portrayed.

Not that I was looking for a medical school lecture on what occurs in such a situation. I think though that I was turned off by the entire film after the scene in which the squad took the German gun emplacement and then stood around mourning their lost compatriot. Not posting guards but standing mourning. I had to call a vet of that campaign up to see if that was realistic as it so beggared belief as to make me think I was missing something.

Clive Ponting, a senior staff member in Thatcher's MoD, wrote a book around 1990 called Armageddon. If I am remembering his narrative correctly, in one part he describes a famous American actor by the name of Eddie Albert who was a Coast Guardsman working with the Marines in the landings at Tarawa--landings that apparently were nothing short of a true abattoir. Not something that one would wish to experience first hand or even relive at the cinema.

Either way, realism can only go so far but dropping the music would be a first good start in many of these films.
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A good friend of mine of many years ago was in the Royal Navy before WW2 and he joined this new fangled thing called Combined Ops (volunteered!). He was among those taking part in the Dieppe raid, wheeling a radio cart, although he didn't get to wheel it very far as he never got out of the water, up to his thighs just a couple of yards short of the shore. He told me of his experiences on that day and the only outstanding events he commented on was a South African Lt who had been a notorious bully during initial training in Scotland. He didn't come home and my mate was pretty sure the bullet that killed him was not fired from a German weapon. The other aspect of it all that stuck with him was the trip back home. Herded onto a train at Portsmouth, taken across London under police guard to Kings Cross where he was locked into a compartment on the train to Newcastle where a policeman had a key to the compartment and let him out to go home to Ashington with strict instructions not to talk about his day out. And all the way home he was still in his waterlogged and mud stained uniform. The actual fighting on the beach just didn't seem to figure too high on his memory list.
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My father landed at Salerno and his tank got knocked out on the beach and he was evacuated due to his injuries. His lifelong complaint was that he went all that way to Italy and never met an Italian.

He had better luck on D-Day when he landed without opposition.
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Old 26th Jul 2017, 07:23   #110 (permalink)
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Kelvin, on muddy clothes, par for the course. Father in law, 1943, barefoot, blanket, boiler suit Portsmouth to home by train.

Even in the 50s, a friend who had bailed out of a Meteor, picked up by a ferry, and landed in Holland, had to make his way home in salt stained flying suit and Mae west.
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Lots of action and noise - very little dialogue
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Any comments on the gliding Spitfire?
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Any comments on the gliding Spitfire?

See post #91.
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Of course you would pump the gear down for a belly landing on the beach then set fire to it! I also liked the bit where it starts its glide in the afternoon and finishes it in the early evening which in British Double Summer Time must have gone on for 5 hours.
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Did the prop looked feathered for the glide ?
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I think that several posters from a position of knowledge kind of miss the point of a film like this. Of course there are technical and historical inaccuracies but possibly we on this forum are virtually the only ones to notice. A film like this is aimed at a mass audience, many of whom have little if any knowledge of these particular details. Was Battle of Britain spoiled by the fact that aircraft on the ground being strafed disintegrating like the wood and canvas models they were?

It's a minor niggle really, and I agree there are a few in the film. Apparently one character was played by a famous pop star. I have no idea which one he was. I bet the teenage girl sitting next to me with her parents knew though.
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Did the prop looked feathered for the glide ?
Spitfire,1940, feathered prop
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Well at least they got the number of blades right.
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Spitfire 1940, or any other year for that matter.
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Overall a disappointment but why?

1. Well almost the first two minutes when 'The Enemy have driven the British and French forces back to the coast' The Enemy ?? what is the point of that -it was the Germans or the German army to be precise what on earth is wrong with saying that.

2. Spitfires with unlimited ammunition

3. I know they wisely mostly did away with CGI although the Stukas were CGI and pretty well done but surely the Luftwaffe had more than one He111.


Good points

It did show the shock and fright of the trapped soldiers and awful speed whereby you could be safe on a ship and two minutes laters trapped in the hold drowning and that is most moving thing the film conveys

It did early on make the point that at that early stage of the evacuation it was the british not the French who were retreating /running away , a lot of the French of course having no where to go anyway.

General points

For someone my age who remembers earlier versions the actors playing soldiers are much more realsitic as they were either in the war or did national service i am not sure many of todays guys really pull that off. the most extreme example of this was the well known British character actor of 60s/70s Percy Herbert who was in Bridge on the River Kwai and who actually was a japanese PoW for 4 years,

It skips over the where was the bloody RAF point although someone does use those words because the unfortunate spitfire flight is ordered to patrol at 500' which I imagine was tantamount to suicide and would never have been done. Equally there was no point in shooting down Stukas over the beaches because then a bomb plus a flaming wreck would drop on the troops rather than just a bomb so try and shoot them down 20 miles away.

Worth going to -on balance just about but while it tells the individual stories well the overall story is a complete mess with day and night interspersed and regular suspensions of time where the lone heinkel is effectively hovering over a minesweeper waiting to get shot down by a Spitfire ten miles away
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