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Old 17th Jun 2017, 02:49   #1 (permalink)
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Fitzgerald vs Crystal TKO

Seven US Navy crew members are missing after their ship (USS Fitzgerald) collided with a merchant vessel off the coast of Japan

Seven US Navy crew missing after collision off Japan - BBC News

There will now be lots of questions about why its crew failed to avoid collision with a 200m (700ft) long container ship
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Most especially as the damage is on the Stbd side.

Even more especially as the freighter had been on a steady course for 12 minutes prior to the collision:

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Wonder if the fact it occurred at 0230 local had anything to do with it. Shouldn't I know, but thinking lights or lack there of. Commercial shipping in my experience don't keep a good watch.
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Megan,

The boxship quite certainly had lights. Even if she didn't, you'd think a radar-equipped war canoe might have spotted a ferkin great big boxship on primary radar as well as the secondary paint on AIS (maritime equivalent of ADS-B).
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A multi-million dollar warship substantially damaged while a containor ship loses a bit of paint. WTF?
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The warship is bloody lucky that the freighter had the wit to spin the wheel to Stbd at the last moment.

If she'd fully T-boned the Fitzgerald with her stem she might easily have buckled the warship's keel-beam which probably would have been a write-off job.

F=MA and 39,000 tonnes at 17kts, spread over just two or three metres is a hell of a lot of M at a lot of A over a very small area. A bit like taking a felling axe to a car's side-pillar, only hundreds of thousands of times worse.
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Old 17th Jun 2017, 09:17   #7 (permalink)
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Marine traffic records suggest the ACX Crystal made a sudden U-turn roughly 25 minutes before the collision with the USS Fitzgerald. It is not clear why it changed course.

Marine traffic records suggest it was travelling at 14.6 knots (27km/h) at the time of the collision.
USS Fitzgerald crash: Seven navy crew missing off Japan - BBC News

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A multi-million dollar warship substantially damaged while a containor ship loses a bit of paint. WTF?
Hardly surprising when you consider the relative sizes of the ships. There are echoes here of the sinking of the light cruiser HMS Curacao which was cut in half when struck amidships by the RMS Queen Mary in 1942. The Queen Mary suffered a bit more than paint loss but was able to continue steaming at more or less full speed, as she was under orders not to stop because of the threat of U Boats.
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Well there's one captain whose chances of flag rank just ended no matter what the cause.
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Wonder if the fact it occurred at 0230 local had anything to do with it. Shouldn't I know, but thinking lights or lack there of. Commercial shipping in my experience don't keep a good watch.
Radar...Sonar....AIS....FLIR....NVG Devices......what lights needed for detection by the warship?
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Maybe it was in 'Stealth Mode'....... ?
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USS Kinkaid, straits of Malaga, 1989. A good friend of mine was on board..
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In November 1989, Kinkaid and the Panamanian-registered freighter M/V Kota Petani were involved in a collision in the Strait of Malacca. The collision caused one death and 15 other casualties to the Kinkaid's crew, and US$15 million in damages to Kinkaid. She made Singapore under her own power for temporary repairs, then Subic Bay, Philippines, then San Diego for permanent repairs.
Court-Martial Told of Confusion on the Bridge of Kinkaid : Collision: Trial of destroyer's captain hears of many course changes made by the officer of the deck. - latimes

USS Kinkaid (DD 965)

Same shit different day.
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Maybe 10 - 15 people on the bridge are a few too many?
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Collision, not allision.

An allision involves a moving vessel clobbering a stationary object.

In a ship collision blame is apportioned between both vessels, seldom equally.

In this case the American side is going to have any chance of sloughing off any more than a token fraction of a percentage of blame onto the Philippino.
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In this case the American side is going to have any chance of sloughing off any more than a token fraction of a percentage of blame onto the Philippino.
The most and best radar and detection equipment in the world is of not use when you put the vessel in the hands of an idiot.

Commanding Officer will if lucky be in command of a row boat after this.
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Sad thing is the Captain was in his bed sound asleep.

He shall still carry the Can....as he is the Captain.

Rules of the Navy.....harsh might they be.
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What happened to that cretin of a submarine commander who failed to clear his pool and surfaced right under a large schoolship, killing several Japanese schoolkids?

Did the bastard do any serious jail time for their manslaughter? Or was he let off like the Americans on Okinawa who did the rapey-rapey thing?
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What happened to that cretin of a submarine commander who failed to clear his pool and surfaced right under a large schoolship, killing several Japanese schoolkids?

Did the bastard do any serious jail time for their manslaughter? Or was he let off like the Americans on Okinawa who did the rapey-rapey thing?
Thirty two, 32 people in the control room of the sub. Ten more than the total crew of a normal merchant vessel.
No wonder they screw up.
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In this case the American side is going to have any chance of sloughing off any more than a token fraction of a percentage of blame onto the Philippino.
Is the trial over already ?
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