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Old 14th Jun 2017, 10:33   #21 (permalink)
 
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Tower resident Mahad Egal has just given an interview on Sky News. It appears to have been a fridge fire in apartment 16 on the fourth flour. Egal was woken by his neighbour claiming that his apartment was on fire due to a fridge fire.
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So far, nobody has come forward with how many residents lived in the 126 (?) apartments in the tower.

Reports of missing families of six living on the upper floors and one family evacuating and losing children 'on the way down'.

I fear that the loss of lives will greatly exceed the six announced so far (as apartments on the upper floors are cleared).
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The estimates in the media seem to suggest between 400 and 700 residents, so potentially there could be a lot of people who were trapped in the upper floors and lost their lives.

It seems that firefighters did a good job of getting a lot of people out, and the fact that the fire was spreading around the outside of the building may have helped in this, as the reports suggest that the interior of the building filled with smoke, but that it took some time for the fire to actually penetrate. There's a photo on the BBC news site that shows the fire raging up the outside corner of the building, but with lights on in many of the flats that were relatively untouched by the fire at that time.



Let's hope that the firefighters were able to get most people out OK,
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Old 14th Jun 2017, 11:07   #25 (permalink)
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A professional friend bought an ex council flat just south of the Thames. We stayed just one night. Nothing would have induced me to live in it.

Being me, I opened a service hatch in the landing and looked down into infinity. The void smelled of gas. Yes, I said a lot about it. And no, nothing was done.

It's astonishing just how much polystyrene was used in buildings in the 60's. 'Modern' houses had between floors filled with blocks of the stuff, mostly for sound deadening. My tests on the stuff was like lighting petrol soaked rags. The smoke, black as soot.
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Reports of people jumping and babies being thrown from windows.
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We had a facade fire in Melbourne 2 years ago traced to using cheap Chinese imitation products that didn't comply with building material regulations. The building developer was ordered to change the material, but 2 years later has done absolutely nothing about it, and seeing they are no longer the owners could mean they no longer own the problem, or they could just liquidate the old company and form a new one.
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It's being reported that the company that installed this cladding filed for bankruptcy very soon afterwards.................
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I filmed the Summer on the Estate Documentry about the Kingshold estate in Hackney in the 90s for many months. Such was the squalor, the high rise towers were demolished a few years later.

Seems that circumstances have to be really bad before there is change.

Pity Grenfell wasn't demolished rather than tarted up.



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Old 14th Jun 2017, 11:31   #30 (permalink)
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It's astonishing just how much polystyrene was used in buildings in the 60's. 'Modern' houses had between floors filled with blocks of the stuff, mostly for sound deadening. My tests on the stuff was like lighting petrol soaked rags. The smoke, black as soot.
There was a trend in the 1960s to cover the ceiling with polystyrene tiles.
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Local Housing Officer is looking for accommodation for the 'more than 500' tenants of the now unoccupiable tower - starting tonight of course.
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Let's hope that the firefighters were able to get most people out OK,
Something said in press conference inferred that 1st responders may have been injured.
Hope it was just a slip of the tongue.

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Just found this quote about the Grenfell Tower refurbishment, from May 2016:

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Cllr Nick Paget-Brown, the leader of the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea, visited the site in May and said:

“It is remarkable to see first-hand how the cladding has lifted the external appearance of the tower and how the improvements inside people’s homes will make a big difference to their day-to-day lives”
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There was a trend in the 1960s to cover the ceiling with polystyrene tiles.
Yes, we had our kitchen ceiling tiled with them.
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Many London flats are nothing short of dormitories. They may never know how many people were in there. Many on the higher floors would have been poisoned by toxic fumes from below whilst they slept. A terrible, terrible event.
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Early reports that a recent update was to the gas supply.

This would almost certainly involve replacing metal piping with the 'new' plastic supply piping.

In the event of a significant fire such as this, it is conceivable that the plastic piping would melt or burn with the associated escape of gas under pressure.

The development of the intensity of the fire might point to this unfortunate cause.
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Old 14th Jun 2017, 12:03   #38 (permalink)
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Early reports that a recent update was to the gas supply.

This would almost certainly involve replacing metal piping with the 'new' plastic supply piping.

In the event of a significant fire such as this, it is conceivable that the plastic piping would melt or burn with the associated escape of gas under pressure.

The development of the intensity of the fire might point to this unfortunate cause.
There are several reports now that the fire started from an appliance, believed to be a fridge, that caught fire in the kitchen of a flat on the fourth floor. The fire then seems to have spread out of the kitchen window and set fire to the external wall cladding/insulation.

I believe that it's prohibited to use plastic for gas pipes within buildings now, unless adequately protected from fire.

All the photos show that the spread of the fire was around the outside, so I'm not convinced it had anything to do with the gas supply. The fire has all the characteristics of many other facade fires that have occurred in tall buildings that have external wall insulation.
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I believe that it's prohibited to use plastic for gas pipes within buildings now, unless adequately protected from fire.

All the photos show that the spread of the fire was around the outside, so I'm not convinced it had anything to do with the gas supply. The fire has all the characteristics of many other facade fires that have occurred in tall buildings that have external wall insulation.
Thanks for that.
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