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Old 8th May 2017, 09:03   #101 (permalink)
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I do wonder what would happen if one day, there came a great voice from above telling us all to stop the bickering and fighting while stating that the Dalai Lama is the one chosen representative on earth. What would the church and other various religions do then ? At a stroke, they would all be out of a job.


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Old 8th May 2017, 09:34   #102 (permalink)
 
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I understand your decision to refrain from posting, ImageGear.

Over many discussions and much contemplation I've concluded the essential difference between those having faith and those not, is a much deeper rooted desire for there to be 'something' after death.

I've also concluded that however much I want 'it' to be true, I'm simply not wired to permit me to have faith.

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Old 8th May 2017, 10:09   #103 (permalink)
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Old 8th May 2017, 10:16   #104 (permalink)
 
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When those who wish to partake in SSM are told "thou shalt not" by a third party due to religious reasons when they aren't of the faith in question it is very definitely imposed.
Nothing what so ever was imposed, simply that they, the church under their rule book want no part of it and why should someone 'not of that faith' get to change that long held belief system?
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Old 8th May 2017, 11:03   #105 (permalink)
 
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No-one is asking to change long held belief systems and no-one is forcing churches to marry same-sex couples. They are free to keep their holy matrimony as it is if that's their wish.

The problem is they're imposing the same rules on secular civil marriage, including on people who aren't of their faith (or any faith at all) and have no desire to be involved in holy matrimony.
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My attitude to blasphemy is that it should definitely not be a matter of law. We have surely gone beyond the medieval attitudes that persist in some parts of the world where blasphemers are risking more than their liberty but often their lives.

That said, as an atheist I find that remarks such as made by Stephen Fry are simply plain bad manners. I find a lot of my fellow atheists have a very poor track record in this area, such as the use of the silly term "sky fairy" to refer to a deity. Just because I don't believe doesn't mean I want to mock or condemn those who do. I suppose what I mean is - I have the right to be offensive, I just don't choose to be so.
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Old 8th May 2017, 11:29   #107 (permalink)
 
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The right to be offensive has to be protected and preserved in our common law by usage.

Those who don't accept this deserved to be mocked. If someone could explain how it's possible to be born into a belief or faith, I'd be less pedantic on this point.
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Old 8th May 2017, 11:34   #108 (permalink)
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Would Stephen Fry's comments have been acceptable if they had been about HM the Queen?

Just saying . . .
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Old 8th May 2017, 12:42   #109 (permalink)
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Had HMTQ created childhood leukaemia then plenty of people would be commenting. Perhaps that rather pernicious disease was created by someone's particular god to test their faith ? It seems to be the most common explanation in certain quarters. I would rather believe that genetic replication is less than perfect and sometimes, it goes horribly wrong.


There's an imbalance of what people openly attribute to higher powers. They thank their chosen supreme being for all of the nice things in life. I think Monty Python summed it up rather well.


All things dull and ugly,
All creatures short and squat,
All things rude and nasty,
The Lord God made the lot.

Each little snake that poisons,
Each little wasp that stings,
He made their brutish venom.
He made their horrid wings.


All things sick and cancerous,
All evil great and small,
All things foul and dangerous,
The Lord God made them all.


Each nasty little hornet,
Each beastly little squid
Who made the spikey urchin?
Who made the sharks? He did!


All things scabbed and ulcerous,
All pox both great and small,
Putrid, foul and gangrenous,
The Lord God made them all.
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Old 8th May 2017, 12:49   #110 (permalink)
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Had HMTQ created childhood leukaemia then plenty of people would be commenting.
Fair do's.
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Old 8th May 2017, 13:25   #111 (permalink)
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Would Stephen Fry's comments have been acceptable if they had been about HM the Queen?

Just saying . . .
Not really a fair comparison, since HM the Queen has been proven to exist beyond reasonable doubt. To be fair, David Icke thinks she's one of the Lizard People, and he hasn't been suicided yet ...
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Mr. Fraser. I have also heard it expressed that if something nice, but unlikely, happens, that is 'A Miracle'.

Something nasty, but unlikely, happens, that's bad luck.

Same odds, both chances.
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Old 8th May 2017, 14:52   #113 (permalink)
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Sky Fairy, a relatively mild description to encompass any or all Gods as in Heavens Above, or a term designed to inflame?
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Sky Fairy, a relatively mild description to encompass any or all Gods as in Heavens Above, or a term designed to inflame?
It's a little bit like referring to same sex marriage as fudgepackers/rugmunchers getting hitched.

A fairly mild description or a term designed to inflame?

Being rude or polite is not obligatory but one is certainly preferable.
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Old 8th May 2017, 15:25   #115 (permalink)
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SFFP, I am not sure your position on this, but B Fraser earlier on listed a fair number of higher authority.

Now my view is that religion, all religion, is a codified set of rules and laws to enab!e a community to live in harmony and peace one with another. These rules are taught and maintained by man but they claim higher authority as their basis.

Some people believe in this higher authority and others are happy to accept the rules but do not believe in an ultimate authority.

Clashes between religions and factions arise from men on earth and not from this higher authority.
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Old 8th May 2017, 16:12   #116 (permalink)
 
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there came a great voice from above telling us all to stop the bickering and fighting while stating that the Dalai Lama is the one chosen representative on earth.
Which one? Tibetan history is studded with Dalai Lamas that have been assassinated by their reincarnations; or vice versa.
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Re the Dalai Lama - what has this pleasant old buffer actually ever done, except swan about being divine?
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The Buddhist nationalists of Myanmar are particularly cruel to Bangladeshi Muslim Rohingyas.
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Old 8th May 2017, 18:15   #119 (permalink)
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"Stephen Fry blasphemy probe dropped after gardaí fail to find 'substantial number of outraged people"

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Old 8th May 2017, 19:02   #120 (permalink)
 
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Re the Dalai Lama - what has this pleasant old buffer actually ever done, except swan about being divine?
I'm with you. Seems all our liberal anti-religious sorts just love this dude. Nice smile, nifty 5th century robes, but hasn't accomplished squat.
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