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Old 7th May 2017, 17:53   #81 (permalink)
 
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In simplistic terms if you offer no insult then there is no cheek in need of being turned.
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Don't disagree with you there but then there would be no need for the advice. Can't recall who was supposed to have said it first: your point obviously eluded him too.
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It certainly seems to have done.
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Old 7th May 2017, 18:22   #84 (permalink)
 
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Belief is a very powerful thing, even atheism is a belief (albeit a negative one). Seems to me that humans do have an innate need to believe in something, problem is these days politicians seem to have hijacked it. Every time I hear a politician say "I believe x" I want to (a) reach for a gun and (b) immediately distrust whatever they say.
Whether atheists like it or not, the laws of this country do mirror the teachings of the Church to a large extent. Makes you wonder if the natural state of humans is anarchy and it's only laws (religious or otherwise) that stop us reverting to animals, killing the weak and anyone else that annoys us. Although when you see the way some people treat each other I'm maybe not so sure.....
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Old 7th May 2017, 19:01   #86 (permalink)
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Anyone with half a brain knows that there is only one true religion.
Yep, this one:

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What happens if it's a free market economy up there?

You've got Yahweh/God/Allah, running three main franchises with various subdivisions, the Norse Pantheon, the Hindu consortium, the Sikh God, Buddha, various other small outfits and a few which are either effectively bankrupt or just ticking over filing the required reports the the astral equivalent of Companies House. I guess that would mean the atheists are running a democratic co-op with no single entity in charge.
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The problem with the pirates and global warming theory is that there are probably far more than 17 pirates in the world at the moment so it should be getting cooler again. Or does the definition of a pirate include the requirement for an eye patch, a parrot and a fondness for the letter R?
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Old 7th May 2017, 20:34   #89 (permalink)

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What happens if it's a free market economy up there?

You've got Yahweh/God/Allah, running three main franchises with various subdivisions, the Norse Pantheon, the Hindu consortium, the Sikh God, Buddha, various other small outfits and a few which are either effectively bankrupt or just ticking over filing the required reports the the astral equivalent of Companies House. I guess that would mean the atheists are running a democratic co-op with no single entity in charge.
See various instalments of Discworld for a lengthy treatment of a free market in gods. Going Postal maybe sums it all up, but it probably helps if you're read the previous twenty-something books for background.
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Old 7th May 2017, 21:29   #90 (permalink)
 
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Just wait for the wailing & gnashing of teeth when those of Christian heritage finally vote themselves out of existence...
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Who imposed their beliefs on who?
When those who wish to partake in SSM are told "thou shalt not" by a third party due to religious reasons when they aren't of the faith in question it is very definitely imposed.
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Isn't it all about mortality and how we will individually behave when we are in our bed holding the hands of our children and saying goodbye. Not goodbye as in I'll see you next week, but good bye I will never see you again?
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One Man's Prayer is another's Blasphemy

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Old 8th May 2017, 00:07   #94 (permalink)
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Old 8th May 2017, 06:54   #95 (permalink)
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Mr ImageGear Sir,


A very well put and reasoned response. I would enjoy the prospect of a long debate over a pint or two as long as the objective was not to overtly change someone's point of view. I took a Muslim mate out to dinner when we were both working away and we had a great discussion about beliefs, albeit only one of us had a beer in front of them.


I may be a heathen but I can enjoy a bacon roll for breakfast and later, a glass of vino with my lobster. I can also have a cheeseburger as there's nobody telling me that it is against a rule prohibiting the mixing of beef and dairy. That said, when the grim reaper calls time, that's it, game over, no extra time or coming back as raccoon. I have no problem with that.


As Dave Allen would say, "May your god go with you".
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Old 8th May 2017, 07:37   #96 (permalink)
 
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Mr Fraser, Sir,

I see your Bacon Roll and raise you a genuine MM pork pie with Stilton on a warm summers day, accompanied by a nice real ale.

Only to be consumed in discreet company and followed by an extra Allopurinol tab to counter the inevitable gout breakthrough.

Regretfully, it cannot be enjoyed in my present locale but on the occasional visit to the home country, one can "disappear" for an hour or two.

The lack thereof has to be offset by expeditious imbibing of nicely chilled Provencal Rose, with amazing Italian Paella made by our lovely French friends downstairs.

PS Coming back as a Raccoon sounds about as bad as it can get, I do not intend to "come back" under any circumstances.

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Old 8th May 2017, 07:46   #97 (permalink)
 
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It is my understanding that there is infinitely more documentary evidence to support the Christian Narrative then there is to support Greek Ancient History let alone Mythology.
It appears, Mr ImageGear, that we have different definitions for what constitutes evidence.

I too would enjoy the opportunity to discuss over a real ale or two, not only discuss, but I would be open to changing my beliefs with the presentation of empirical evidence.
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Isn't it all about mortality and how we will individually behave when we are in our bed holding the hands of our children and saying goodbye. Not goodbye as in I'll see you next week, but good bye I will never see you again?
My mother held a strong and deep christian faith. On her death bed at aged 92, and wandering in and out of consciousness, she regularly called out to her deceased mother and sisters and brother. She wanted to join them, no - she longed to join them.

It was a great comfort to me, and I hold no opinion either way even though I do have a view, that her faith meant death held no fear for her and in a way she welcomed it as a pathway to something infinitely more wonderful than life here on earth.

I accept of course that christianity has no monopoly on that or indeed that death is something to be feared.

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Ireland accused of blasphemy for questioning Stephen Fry
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Old 8th May 2017, 08:44   #100 (permalink)
 
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Mr Loggerheads, Sir,

As I quoted in my early posts, if it were simply a matter of having empirical evidence there would be no need of a work of faith since faith requires belief in things for which empirical evidence may not exist. Therefore the decision to accept the presence of a higher deity becomes based on cold hard fact and leaves no possibility of accessing the faith "dimension". Faith is really a personal test of whether we are able to exceed the "surly bonds" of earthly understanding and attain a new dispensation based on more spiritual concepts.

I shall say no more of this subject on this forum since I am concerned that others may see my comments as proselytising.

Needless to say, as regards Mr Fry's exposition, it is my opinion that he would have been wise to consider the company he was keeping before he chose to comment in such a way.

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