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Old 6th May 2017, 22:31   #21 (permalink)
 
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To be honest, isn't the 'sky fairy' tag simply an attempt to offend?
Absolutely and says an awful lot about the person using it.
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Old 6th May 2017, 23:05   #23 (permalink)
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I know believers in a number of different religions. Strangely enough none of them have ever said they believe in someone/something in the sky.
Our Father, which art in Heaven.

Please tell me where this 'Heaven' is?

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So why didn't Mr Fry just answer with" I don't believe in God so I can't answer the question." Instead he blames God for all the world's evils, so what does he believe? If he is such a card carrying atheist; who is to blame for all the evil in the world? Stalin was an atheist, Mao was an atheist, Mugabe is an atheist. I don't think that he should be charged with blasphemy, I think he should be charged with hypocrisy.
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If you believe God is the creator and the all omnipotent power, then you can place the blame of all evil at his/her/it's feet because, after all, he/she/it started it.
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The issue isn't about God at all, it is about the ability to offend people, or the ability of people to be offended by those who hold different beliefs. I really doesn't matter what those beliefs are. If you invoke some hypothetical ultimate higher authority, you can theoretically justfy anything, including killing someone who disagrees with your point of view.

Religious belief is just a mental abberation that afflicts the majority of humanity like an intellectual virus. Those unafflicted find life can be difficult at times if you don't pretend to conform, but that can be almost as bad as suffering the full blown infection.

In passing, I was given to wondering whether HM the Queen has ever suffered from god like delusions of grandeur, given that she is the Queen and head of the Church of England. Don't get much closer to god than that.
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I find it necessary to set down ground rules when this topic comes up. One can believe in a higher being but not like the earth based fan club. Two distinct yet associated concepts.

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The issue isn't about God at all, it is about the ability to offend people, or the ability of people to be offended by those who hold different beliefs. I really doesn't matter what those beliefs are. If you invoke some hypothetical ultimate higher authority, you can theoretically justfy anything, including killing someone who disagrees with your point of view.

Religious belief is just a mental abberation that afflicts the majority of humanity like an intellectual virus. Those unafflicted find life can be difficult at times if you don't pretend to conform, but that can be almost as bad as suffering the full blown infection.

In passing, I was given to wondering whether HM the Queen has ever suffered from god like delusions of grandeur, given that she is the Queen and head of the Church of England. Don't get much closer to god than that.
It gets far closer. For example, before he was forced to renounce such a notion, Hirohito pre-1946. So it's doubtful that the quaint Queen of England is similarly deluded, since those in power who actually do have them aren't known for hiding them and indeed actively promote the idea, the usual manifestation being an orgy of bloodletting or causing death by other means and imprisoning anyone including their own who don't ascribe to the notion.

In the present day a wonderful example of the Cult of Personality = god delusion manifesting itself is found in the People's Paradise of North Korea. Diss the Fat Boy by not keeping his family's pictures that are required to be in every home dusted and you're off to be re-educated. Commit a crime against the State and 3 generations of your family are off to the Gulag.

If we're to judge "intellectual viruses" based on the discomfort, persecution, or sheer body count of those who don't conform then the various stripes of secular Marxist and Statist ideologies flavored by it represent a terminal disease of the highest order, no less fatal than those that would sentence you to death for drawing the wrong cartoon in your own country or send you to Chop Chop Square in Riyadh for renouncing your religion or being found guilty of Witchcraft.

The Spanish Inquisition over 300 years killed approximately 5000 people. 5,000 victims killed for not adhering to their vision of a secular, utopian State was just a lazy week for Mao or Stalin. Even the Junior Varsity Atheist State leaders like Pol Pot saw the need to kill a couple million (about about 25%) of his own population in a few years.

Judging by sheer body count, during the last 100 years those in power of certain secular political ideologies who aren't afflicted by religion have persecuted, punished, and killed more of who they consider to be nonbelievers in their Ideology in order to try and achieve their version of an earthly Utopia as any organized religion.

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Old 7th May 2017, 02:46   #29 (permalink)
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" In the present day a wonderful example of the Cult of Personality = god delusion manifesting itself

Ah, maybe you need to look a little closer to home for this manifestation....
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" In the present day a wonderful example of the Cult of Personality = god delusion manifesting itself

Ah, maybe you need to look a little closer to home for this manifestation....
Well those that hoped to install her despite her corruption, lies, incompetence, and record of abusing power by invoking some sort of mythical "Womanhood" sanctity and trotting out the various "celebrities" while running a willing media propaganda machine that would have made Pravda green with envy thankfully failed.

Of course, we're left with the remnants of her snarling "social justice warriors" and violent disciples taking it to the streets, but at least she isn't sitting in the Oval Office. What her deluded minions fail to realize is that although they share their Bolshie and National Socialist groupthink comrades ideals, the latter where actually pretty tough customers.

I see she's still out there trying to attribute "misogyny" to her defeat, as if she represents Womanhood and therefore a vote for her would have been a vote for some sort of President Gaia. If you want megalomania and delusions, you needn't look any further than that.

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Well those that hoped to install her despite her corruption, lies, incompetence, and record of abusing power by invoking some sort of mythical "Womanhood" sanctity and trotting out the various "celebrities" while running a willing media propaganda machine that would have made Pravda green with envy thankfully failed.

Of course, we're left with the remnants of her snarling "social justice warriors" and violent disciples taking it to the streets, but at least she isn't sitting in the Oval Office. What her deluded minions fail to realize is that although they share their Bolshie and National Socialist groupthink comrades ideals, the latter where actually pretty tough customers.

I see she's still out there trying to attribute "misogyny" to her defeat, as if she represents Womanhood and therefore a vote for her would have been a vote for some sort of President Gaia. If you want megalomania and delusions, you needn't look any further than that.
You do get, well, rather emotional and confused at times.

Cast your mind back a few months, to January in fact, and you may just recall this " And most importantly, we will be protected by God ".....

Of course, if you really want to see religious fervour, the UK has a plethora of shrines where the faithful can, and do, pay homage every weekend....I recommend Man Utd vs Man City, Celtic vs Rangers, Tottenham vs Arsenal and Millwall vs any other team you care to name, in this respect.

The above may be a little bit too dry for you however...
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Old 7th May 2017, 06:55   #32 (permalink)


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Absolutely and says an awful lot about the person using it.
All it says about that person is that be they fail to accept the claim that "There is a god." And perhaps that they refuse to take the people who make that claim too seriously...
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Old 7th May 2017, 07:30   #33 (permalink)
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One of the many things I find strange about religion is that that God / Allah / Buddha / Ganesh / Shiva (please pick your personal favourite) is said to be all knowing. Everyone's deity of choice is said to be able to read their individual mind as they are all-seeing and all-knowing. I find it rather puzzling that their followers are told to gather together and chant out loud whatever their particular feelings, hopes and fears happen to be. Do the priests not trust their own mantra of infallibility ?


Taking an objective view, religion is an excellent way to control the masses. The supreme one is endowed with terrific powers and most of population are then put under the thumb of an organisation that tells them what to do. At the same time, the system extracts and accumulates vast amounts of land, goods and wealth. The population are told when to work, how to work, what to think, who to marry, what to eat, when to eat, what to wear, who to fight, what to believe, what to say, what to write, where to walk and even what questions not to ask ...... the list goes on and on.


The real answer is to be found in the most unlikely of places, on the Pope's ceiling. Michelangelo was an anatomist (another thing that the church frowned upon). Inevitably, he would have sectioned the human brain. Once you know that, one of the most famous paintings in the world takes on a whole new meaning.


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It has always puzzled me that the adherents to the various Gods all claim there particular God is all powerful, all knowing etc. So why are they so shallow in their beliefs that they believe God needs them to enforce his will?
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Just don't tell any Conservative Christians that if Jesus was around today he'd probably be classified as a snowflake liberal SJW...
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If you believe God is the creator and the all omnipotent power, then you can place the blame of all evil at his/her/it's feet because, after all, he/she/it started it.


I think it possible that if you believe in a 'God' then you may also believe in the concept of a 'Devil', one being responsible for life's good things, the other being responsible for all the bad things - with a constant battle between the two? I don't know.
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The issue isn't about God at all, it is about the ability to offend people, or the ability of people to be offended by those who hold different beliefs. I really doesn't matter what those beliefs are. If you invoke some hypothetical ultimate higher authority, you can theoretically justfy anything, including killing someone who disagrees with your point of view.

Religious belief is just a mental abberation that afflicts the majority of humanity like an intellectual virus. Those unafflicted find life can be difficult at times if you don't pretend to conform, but that can be almost as bad as suffering the full blown infection.

In passing, I was given to wondering whether HM the Queen has ever suffered from god like delusions of grandeur, given that she is the Queen and head of the Church of England. Don't get much closer to god than that.

I believe there are those who would say the Pope is closer to God than HM.
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I am saddened by the posts above which seem to encapsulate everything that is wrong with entrenched religious and irreligious perspectives.

To become personally aware of the presence of a Deity whether it be through oral, visual or other sensory communication, and to follow a lifestyle that acknowledges the best values espoused by that association, should be commendable.

The "best values" embodied by the relationship are exactly that in all respects, whether it be inter-family, inter-personal, international and business relationships.

If the presence of a relationship with a Deity is observed in an individual and a request is made to know more, then an appropriate answer should be forthcoming. There is no sale.

Religion is not the cause of war, people are the cause of war, primarily because of their zealous lack of tolerance of the views of others.

Humanity will be judged, if not by a Deity, by future generations or the remnants.

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I know believers in a number of different religions. Strangely enough none of them have ever said they believe in someone/something in the sky, whether fairy or otherwise.
To be honest, isn't the 'sky fairy' tag simply an attempt to offend?
Ah! - so you're accusing me of blasphemy for attempting to offend something that doesn't exist and wouldn't care if it did. I thought this would be a nice recursive topic.
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